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Post by liny on Jan 19, 2014 18:34:11 GMT -5
Why only a few post cars? I think every car should have a long gun and training to go with it. I agree but like anything else that's implemented for the most part, it starts with a test run of a few instead of everybody. Either way it would still be an improvement of only a few special units having them. |
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Post by overthecap on Jan 19, 2014 19:10:18 GMT -5
Why only a few post cars? I think every car should have a long gun and training to go with it. I agree but like anything else that's implemented for the most part, it starts with a test run of a few instead of everybody. Either way it would still be an improvement of only a few special units having them. Never been a test run, never will. Since 1979 anyway. Plenty of stories abound to support it! |
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Post by overthecap on Jan 19, 2014 19:31:16 GMT -5
I agree but like anything else that's implemented for the most part, it starts with a test run of a few instead of everybody. Either way it would still be an improvement of only a few special units having them. Never been a test run, never will. Since 1979 anyway. Plenty of stories abound to support it! Coots/Red I had a relief spot , near Diplomat / on merrick Rd. I'd relieve J.S. , name like the weather. Later became a trainer. He cared, VV, and told me, do what it takes to go home. He, via only rumor and tales, had a Grappling hook, DB side by side, 9mm, and 380. Not to mention a Vietnam Era Flak Vest. Go home................. he said, violation of RR's are not PL offenses. I hope this helps Edit; forgot the boot knife |
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Post by tornado on Jan 19, 2014 23:46:47 GMT -5
And his name could very well be Massapequa resident James Hall, current (for, the time being.....until after all the Manhattan Super Bowl details are finished) the three-star Chief of Patrol.............career test-taker and disciplinarian in the City. Good grief, Charlie Brown.....
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Post by liny on Jan 20, 2014 1:38:06 GMT -5
I agree but like anything else that's implemented for the most part, it starts with a test run of a few instead of everybody. Either way it would still be an improvement of only a few special units having them. Never been a test run, never will. Since 1979 anyway. Plenty of stories abound to support it! Never said there was, just saying what would happen if they were to do it, which like you said will never happen. |
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Post by inthebusiness on Jan 20, 2014 13:17:08 GMT -5
No matter what post car you work. No matter what tour, day of the week or time of the year. The job gives you a firearm and a vest that you must wear. They are stating that anything can happen anywhere at any time. Can I ask you then, if the job is dangerous enough that you need a 40 caliber automatic firearm and a bullet resistant vest then why isn't it dangerous enough that they don't give you a partner? Every car, everyday should be doubled. If that means consolidating post and redrawing post boundaries for this to happen then that is what should be done. Is it more important that one cop is only needed to take a report or that we go home alive? Is it more important that the public doesn't have to wait as long for a response for auto accident property damage only or that they don't have to wait for two cops to show up for a mall shooting? . That is fine. Most of those Nassau guys you are referring to are probably the same cowboys who drive around or did drive around with no vest on either. So just like in the city they will get used to it and it would become the norm. We are not here to feel comfortable with our own privacy. We are here to make sure the public is safe and that we go home in the same condition we came to work. It is tactically far superior to have two man units. |
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Post by unregistered5150 on Jan 20, 2014 19:04:43 GMT -5
The name I heard from the city was Pulaski. I believe he is worse than Hall. I guess we will be hearing something soon after the Super Bowl.
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Post by baysidepd on Jan 21, 2014 13:34:17 GMT -5
Inthebusiness- Its always has been the notion that Nassau cops were paid more than the city because they work by themselves making their job more dangerous and giving them more work and responsibility because they don't have a partner to share the paperwork, assist with arrests, split the driving time etc. which is a valid point. In actuality the city pays more in salary to man each patrol car with two cops then Nassau County does with only one man per car. You get paid more in Nassau for the extra danger working by yourself and you knew that you would be working solo when you signed up, Maybe you should go take the city test and work there where you will have a partner. Nassau cant afford to fill positions and hire cops as it is do you think they are going pay Nassau County salaries to have two man cars? I worked in the city where I always had a partner and never liked being stuck in the car for a entire shift with a partner who was usually useless anyway and liked working alone much more. I work in another dept. now out of state where we all ride solo and I love it. You definitely need to be more tactically aware and its definitely harder working alone and you have to know your limitations but given the choice I would work alone anytime. I am not a cowboy and always wear my vest we receive better training, carry tasers (a must for working alone), we carry .45 cal glocks, AR-15s, bean bag shotguns and have ballistic shields in every patrol car and I feel much safer than I did working in the city with a partner. You would be better off asking the county for this kind of equipment and training rather than asking for a partner. Its unbelievable that the county doesn't already have all these things in your patrol cars.
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Post by liny on Jan 21, 2014 14:10:32 GMT -5
Its always has been the notion that Nassau cops were paid more than the city because they work by themselves making their job more dangerous and giving them more work and responsibility because they don't have a partner to share the paperwork, assist with arrests, split the driving time etc. which is a valid point. In actuality the city pays more in salary to man each patrol car with two cops then Nassau County does with only one man per car. But in actually they don't, because it's not unheard of for the city to turn out 2 or 3 cars in a precinct for a tour. If their staffing was even similar to Nassau they would be putting out a lot more cars. On top of that, the post cars in rougher neighborhoods here are doubled. |
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Post by baysidepd on Jan 21, 2014 14:42:11 GMT -5
Yeah in a perfect world the city sector cars would be fully staffed, also take into account how many city precincts would you need to equal the area of a county precinct? 5 or 6 city precincts with 3 sector cars each would be the size of the 3rd pct so it probably works out the same. The city has a lot more sector cars than Nassau does no matter how you stack it up. Two man cars in Nassau are few and far between.
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Post by rabbit on Jan 21, 2014 15:52:45 GMT -5
No matter what post car you work. No matter what tour, day of the week or time of the year. The job gives you a firearm and a vest that you must wear. They are stating that anything can happen anywhere at any time. Can I ask you then, if the job is dangerous enough that you need a 40 caliber automatic firearm and a bullet resistant vest then why isn't it dangerous enough that they don't give you a partner? Every car, everyday should be doubled. If that means consolidating post and redrawing post boundaries for this to happen then that is what should be done. Is it more important that one cop is only needed to take a report or that we go home alive? Is it more important that the public doesn't have to wait as long for a response for auto accident property damage only or that they don't have to wait for two cops to show up for a mall shooting? 1 word- MONEY |
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Post by overthecap on Jan 21, 2014 15:57:59 GMT -5
No matter what post car you work. No matter what tour, day of the week or time of the year. The job gives you a firearm and a vest that you must wear. They are stating that anything can happen anywhere at any time. Can I ask you then, if the job is dangerous enough that you need a 40 caliber automatic firearm and a bullet resistant vest then why isn't it dangerous enough that they don't give you a partner? Every car, everyday should be doubled. If that means consolidating post and redrawing post boundaries for this to happen then that is what should be done. Is it more important that one cop is only needed to take a report or that we go home alive? Is it more important that the public doesn't have to wait as long for a response for auto accident property damage only or that they don't have to wait for two cops to show up for a mall shooting? 1 word- MONEY Not so sure. 4000 cops ago you walked around the clock. Both the footcop and sector car woulda been safer together. NCPD mentality. 4200 actually en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassau_County_Police_Department |
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Post by redstone14 on Jan 22, 2014 1:58:07 GMT -5
4000 cops ago you walked around the clock. Both the footcop and sector car woulda been safer together. NCPD mentality. 4200 actually They almost had the manpower to double all the cars back then and they wouldn't even talk about it. I wouldn't be surprised if the County went for it now, something like five cars per Pct and all of them doubled, policing like we've never seen before. Of course posts as we know them would have to be completely changed and BS calls would have to end. Hey, who would have thought that they would close precincts a few years ago. |
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Post by ncpdretired on Jan 22, 2014 6:03:52 GMT -5
Back in the day, many calls were like, "HQ to car so and so, pick up foot man and proceed to blah, blah, blah." Thats when the Station house ran the calls and not CB. Cops got the telephone calls, evaluated them then made the assignment. Worked very well at the time before there was 911.
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Post by since86 on Jan 22, 2014 11:55:27 GMT -5
The name I heard from the city was Pulaski. I believe he is worse than Hall. I guess we will be hearing something soon after the Super Bowl. Ah, Pulaski, smartest man in the world, just ask him-he will tell you so! Ask him why Bratton gave him the boot....single handedly ruined narcotics and the DD. Just what we need...an asshole with an education and not a clue. |
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