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Post by crates on Mar 22, 2014 14:40:42 GMT -5
What crimes is this going to prevent or help solve?not assaults, murders or rapes. Most larcenies are crimes of opportunities. There aren't many burglary rings around here. This doesn't solve anything and can't predict anything that any season cop or detective wouldn't already know. This is a fad in policing and will be used to justify a even smaller police force.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 15:09:21 GMT -5
Okay I'll be a dissenter, I've been reading this thread since its inception just to see gauge what other cops thought about intelligence based policing, I guess I'm the only one who sees value in it. I've worked for two departments who apply this method of policing and through my experience I know that it works. It will obviously not solve all the problems out there but it does give the cops on the street and the detectives a base of origin from where to work from. It allows them to see the patterns and intercede preventing that problem from continuing, again, I see nothing wrong with it, in fact, I believe it to be another useful tool in the officers arsenal. Use it correctly within its means and don't rely solely on it and you'll make significant progress. Stop, QUESTION (Media ALWAYS leaves that part out) & Frisk is an example of a Great tool that was abused & used incorrectly, when used properly it makes a tremendous difference and is a true deterrent to those out there looking to commit crime. Rabbit, I 100% understand what you are saying. I don't disagree with you. The joke of the matter is they really have not used intelligence led policing they have just taken credit for a drop in crime due to cold weather.
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Post by ncpdretired on Mar 22, 2014 17:09:27 GMT -5
Old Nass-stat: Thursday night ( maid's nite off in certain areas) and full moons….
So.. be extra vigilant
be aware…….
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Post by opie on Mar 23, 2014 12:34:06 GMT -5
Cameras and drones will replace us shortly...
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Post by rabbit on Mar 24, 2014 6:49:37 GMT -5
What crimes is this going to prevent or help solve?not assaults, murders or rapes. Most larcenies are crimes of opportunities. There aren't many burglary rings around here. This doesn't solve anything and can't predict anything that any season cop or detective wouldn't already know. This is a fad in policing and will be used to justify a even smaller police force. Uhmm what crimes??? Assaults, you say no, but that all depends on the circumstances, have you heard of the "knockout game" those are classified as assaults, the job has investigated many of them and found a pattern, since then several perps have been arrested & charged. Murders? again, that all depends, is it a crime of passion, then yes very difficult to defend but a serial killer, there are patterns and the police gather the intel & usually arrest the perp involved. Rapes? again.. if it's a serial rapists there will be a pattern. Larcenies? same thing, when certain items are the "it" thing to steal aka iPhones/eight ball jackets/jansport bags/air jordans etc. good police work will focus on those areas that are prevalent with more omnipresence or under covers. Burglaries? There have been quite a few organized burglary rings on the island and throughout the country & for you to make that comment just shows your ignorance. Intelligence based policing is like a spiders web, you gather the intel of certain crimes and plot it out, a pattern will usually develop and you anticipate the perps next move and when he/she makes it your there to lock him/her up.
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Post by ncpdretired on Mar 24, 2014 7:17:48 GMT -5
You mean MO ( mode of operation) in criminal work….
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Post by rabbit on Mar 24, 2014 8:11:37 GMT -5
You mean MO ( mode of operation) in criminal work…. Exactly, all that is is intelligence gathering
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Post by crates on Mar 24, 2014 8:56:19 GMT -5
How many serial killers are out there in nassau, or serial rapists? The knockout game as the call it is random in time place and victim. It's done by miscreants who have no purpose in life. Your reaching to justify it and you know it. And again they are pointing to a reduction in street crime during a period of unusually cold temperatures and high amount of snow.
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Post by stren on Mar 24, 2014 11:04:21 GMT -5
I hear Madam Larue sits in at strat-com meetings.
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Post by rabbit on Mar 24, 2014 17:49:07 GMT -5
How many serial killers are out there in nassau, or serial rapists? The knockout game as the call it is random in time place and victim. It's done by miscreants who have no purpose in life. Your reaching to justify it and you know it. And again they are pointing to a reduction in street crime during a period of unusually cold temperatures and high amount of snow. crates go back to sleep zzzz.... you write just to see what you wrote... goodnight, enjoy your delusions.... just like a prior thread dealing with newsrag where you proved your reading comprehension is abysmal.
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Post by crates on Mar 24, 2014 18:02:07 GMT -5
You specifically cite serial killers and serial rapists to make your pint on why this is a good system and a good system for Nassau. So I ask how many of those are in Nassau. The fact you go on to saying I type just to see what i write instead if a rebuttal arguement demonstrats how out of touch you are. You can't justify it in the real world. As far as the cap to amityville salerys that was a piss poor job by newsday and I wanted to make that point. You can infer that 150,000 was the cap but it doesn't explicitly state it in the article. Newsday is also fixated on the 150,000 in cop salerys as the use it when taking about Nassau cops pay. So it is just as reasonable that that is a number they throw out there for the sake of Having a number. The article was talking about capping pay. No where did the say what they wanted the pay to be capped at.
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Post by redstone14 on Mar 24, 2014 23:50:33 GMT -5
I always thought the Pin Maps were pretty good at showing crime patterns. Plus, they are immune from solar flares and N Korean EMP attacks.
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Post by coots on Mar 25, 2014 0:39:25 GMT -5
yes Red, the pin maps in the sqd room were good at showing crime patterns until imsuit removed the pins from the map and put them on 102 and 107's post.
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Post by lionsden on Mar 25, 2014 9:20:19 GMT -5
Intel led policing does work. There have been several major crime patterns that have been solved in the past 2 years since Ryder started CIRRT. But like anything else it has its limitations. The majority of police work can never be replaced by anything but constant and irregular patrol by uniformed RMPs. It is the meat and potatoes of getting police work done. But intel led policing is a good tool to compliment it and it has its purposes. Just as K9, mounted, Narcotics, ESU etc are useful tools but not one of them could replace having marked RMPs patrolling sectors everyday.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2014 18:23:27 GMT -5
Intel led policing does work. There have been several major crime patterns that have been solved in the past 2 years since Ryder started CIRRT. But like anything else it has its limitations. The majority of police work can never be replaced by anything but constant and irregular patrol by uniformued RMPs. It is the meat and potatoes of getting police work done. But intel led policing is a good tool to compliment it and it has its purposes. Just as K9, mounted, Narcotics, ESU etc are useful tools but not one of them could replace having marked RMPs patrolling sectors everyday. Yes, the highly trained cirt team 6 is reducing crime. Ha Ha Ha H Bhaaaaa haha!
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