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Post by 1090cop on Nov 5, 2013 21:42:11 GMT -5
I hope a ton of guys retire and they can't hire. We will all have the last laugh then!
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stren
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Post by stren on Nov 6, 2013 9:58:27 GMT -5
Anyone who expects to be fed with all that is going on needs to get their head examined. Those days are over.
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Post by jmandmj on Nov 6, 2013 12:38:50 GMT -5
Do the people here know that being fed can be cause for an investigation? This entire thread needs to be deleted!!
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Post by familyguy on Nov 6, 2013 14:44:20 GMT -5
Yes...delete this thread.....before anymore new guys realize they are giving up 12 hours to a guy whos pension will be more than their salaries!
on a serious note...Rest In peace Detective.......
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Post by tornado on Nov 6, 2013 21:08:56 GMT -5
Being fed ended with the City Mentality taking root in Nassau. Example: when Dale was the two-star Queens South borough commander, he mandated that everyone be equal or near-equal as much as possible in overtime. Overtime was (still is) tracked on a daily basis, and printed out and distributed to the administration in each command, so they know, at a glance, how much the collar guys have compared to the guys who want to go home as soon as they arrive at work. So, producers who wanted it got capped, and the guys who don't want it would get stuck until they were close to everyone else, and then the cycle would begin again, every 3 months. Sick.....
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Post by smallville on Nov 6, 2013 22:02:42 GMT -5
You really can't expect guys to help out another guy that's pension will be more than their salary. IMO Some things are better left unsaid.
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Post by overthecap on Nov 6, 2013 22:19:26 GMT -5
You really can't expect guys to help out another guy that's pension will be more than their salary. IMO Some things are better left unsaid. Sometimes you do what was traditionally done in the past. If for nothing else because you would eventually retire too. What's sad is that 'if' everyone had gotten their raises and steps as scheduled, would this be a topic? Remember the guy leaving got screwed too, forever. He wasn't to blame for your predicament nor his. He just has a reasonable expectation that his co-workers will do the right thing. That's the way it's been in the past and should be in the future. AIMHO
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Post by overthecap on Nov 6, 2013 22:40:08 GMT -5
I posted this a year ago, I enjoyed it. But that's me.
From a Retired Cop « Result #175 on Oct 4, 2012, 2:04pm »
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Retired, but not my words, just passing it on for those who can relate.
Everyone will someday identify.
Be safe and stay healthy.
To those not retired, you will get there someday. To the others, I just had to pass this on. Pass this on to any other retiree you know that I may have skipped over. I think we can all relate in one way or another to this... Especially the last paragraph!****
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Thoughts from a cop who retired in '99.****
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Just before retiring, some young puppy was busting my chops about how law enforcement has changed, and the system is improving for the best. I just smiled and gave him a little laugh. He asked what was so funny. I told him that I felt sorry for him. When asked why, I told him, "Because in about 15 years, THIS is going to be your good old days."****
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We all saw the change in our jobs. I came on in 1970. I used to tell the rookies that our academy lasted 3 months. They gave us a stick, a gun, a dime, and kicked us out into the street. They told us: If you need help, use the dime. If you can't get to a phone, use the stick. If using the stick pisses him off, use the gun. And the first order we received when we were assigned to a precinct was from our field sergeant. His order was "Don't you EVER bother me, kid."****
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Law enforcement then, was much different than the current mission. We delivered babies, got rough in the alley when we needed to, made "Solomon-like" decisions at least once a tour, and often wound up being big brother to the kid we roughed up in that alley a year or so ago. And, for some reason, none of that managed to get on a report. And the department didn't really want to know. All they wanted was numbers, and no ripples in the pond. Because of the changing times, and the evolution of law enforcement, the modern young officers will never see that form of policing, and of course this is best.****
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The current way is the right way... Now. But it was different then (ergo, the Dinosaur Syndrome). When it's time to go, we wonder if we're going to miss the job. After all, other than our kids and a few marriages, it was the most important thing in our lives. Actually, it was the other way around. The job was first, but only another cop could understand how I mean that. But have faith, brother! After a short time of feeling completely impotent (after all, you're just John Q. Now), reality hits like a lead weight. It's not the job we miss after all. It's what we, as individuals, had accomplished while in this profession that we miss. The challenge of life and death, good and bad, right and wrong, or even simply easing the pain of some poor bastard for a while, someone we will never see again. We know the reality of what's happening out there. We are the ones who have spent our entire adult life picking up the pieces of people's broken lives. And the bitch of it all is that no one except us knows what we did out there.****
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I was once told that being a good street cop is like coming to work in a wet suit and peeing in your pants. It's a nice warm feeling, but you're the only one who knows anything has happened. What I missed mostly, though, were the people I worked with. Most of us came on the job together at the age of 21 or 22. We grew up together. We were family. We went to each others weddings, shared the joy of our children's births, and we mourned the deaths of family members and marriages. We celebrated the good times, and huddled close in the bad. We went from rookies who couldn't take our eyes off of the tin number of the old timer we worked with, to dinosaurs.*** *
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After all, what they gave us was just a job. What we made of it was a profession. We fulfilled our mission, and did the impossible each and every day, despite the department and its regulations. I think the thing that nags you the most when you first retire is: After you leave the job and remove your armor, the part of you that you tucked away on that shelf for all those years, comes out. It looks at all the things you've hidden away. All the terrible and all the wonderful things that happened out there. And it asks you the questions that no one will ever answer. "Do you think I did OK? Did I make a difference? Was I a good cop?"****
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You know what? Yeah, you were a good cop! And you know it! In closing: the best advice I got, by far, was from an old friend who left the job a few years before me. He told me to stay healthy, work out and watch my diet. He said "Cause that way, the first day of every month you can look in the mirror, smile and say. Screwed them out of another month's pension!"****
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Stay safe and be well! ****
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Post by smallville on Nov 6, 2013 22:51:35 GMT -5
Some things are better left unsaid. Sometimes you do what was traditionally done in the past. If for nothing else because you would eventually retire too. What's sad is that 'if' everyone had gotten their raises and steps as scheduled, would this be a topic? Remember the guy leaving got screwed too, forever. He wasn't to blame for your predicament nor his. He just has a reasonable expectation that his co-workers will do the right thing. That's the way it's been in the past and should be in the future. AIMHO I had my numbers run twice. I'll take a $14g hit MINIMUM.... for THE REST OF MY LIFE. This is the PBA show. NO street cop had anything to do with the current situation.
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Post by redstone14 on Nov 7, 2013 0:21:09 GMT -5
No one should forget that.
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Post by tiredofwaiting on Nov 7, 2013 9:46:30 GMT -5
Some of us have lost over $120G and counting in three years and will never get it back. You did not loose that 14G a year yet because you did not retire and you have the choice to wait it out and stay on the job. We do not have a choice we are stuck in steps and can not do anything about it and mostly likely never see the money we lost and it is a lot more than 14g a year
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Post by doughnut on Nov 7, 2013 9:54:09 GMT -5
Sometimes you do what was traditionally done in the past. If for nothing else because you would eventually retire too. What's sad is that 'if' everyone had gotten their raises and steps as scheduled, would this be a topic? Remember the guy leaving got screwed too, forever. He wasn't to blame for your predicament nor his. He just has a reasonable expectation that his co-workers will do the right thing. That's the way it's been in the past and should be in the future. AIMHO I had my numbers run twice. I'll take a $14g hit MINIMUM.... for THE REST OF MY LIFE. This is the PBA show. NO street cop had anything to do with the current situation. While I do sympathize I want to put into perspective the loss of guys stuck in steps. Me personally I don't do much OT. First year loss $12,000 second year $13,000 coming up this year if no deal, $55,000. My retirement in 4 years if nothing changes with 400 hours of OT my last three years $118,000/2 is $59k. When I left the city I made $120k my last year in 2006 and that would be without promotions or the variable supp. Granted I can not go back but combined with the lost salary of $275,000 by making the switch, and a pension that if nothing changes will be less than if I retired in 2006, ill gladly change places with you. I'm not begrudging you or guys at top pay, but fact is guys stuck in steps are losing out at a much greater rate. And you are 100% correct it's not the guy on the streets fault its politics as usual! but this time it's affecting guys and girls who actually go out and make a difference.
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Post by 1ppnotforme on Nov 7, 2013 15:49:11 GMT -5
Well said Mr.Doughnut. PLUS add to that all the monies that you haven't been able to put into deferred comp because of the freeze. That is money that you will NEVER SEE compounded FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE. Which will probably equal more than 14k a year, once we step children get to retire. ONCE AGAIN - guys in steps are paying for those who aren't. SERENITY NOW!
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