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Post by trooper05 on Jan 28, 2014 9:31:41 GMT -5
I have been a Nassau cop some 20 years now. I have never seen the PBA as weak as it is now. The last election for PBA Board members should have been a referendum against the incumbents. Unfortunately the vast majority of the job re elected the same people. Those that re elected THE SAME BOARD back in, are the SAME people crying the blues. I voted for a change in direction. Sure, new guys in there will stumble, but these people representing us have not only let us down..they have also dramatically hurt our reputation....The County, NIFA and The UPPER BRASS now look at us like were are SCHLUBS. I hate to hear the word,"DEAL".....WE SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL!!!!...OUR CONTRACT IS A BINDING ARBITRATED SETTLEMENT!!!.....PERIOD...."SEE YOU AT THE NEGOTIATING TABLE FOR THE 2016 CONTRACT,GENTLEMEN", IS WHAT CARVER'S RESPONSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN.
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Post by lost on Jan 28, 2014 9:32:14 GMT -5
I think we are the only dept. with minimum manning. Yep; and minimum manning does more than just "create overtime". It ensures officer safety with a minimum amount of cars on patrol. It also acts as a de facto no layoff provision. Without minimum manning you can lower the total headcount in the department. 5 years ago I can guarantee you layoffs would have occurred if there was no minimum manning provision. Start looking at the bigger picture here.
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Post by zzzz on Jan 28, 2014 9:45:48 GMT -5
We simply just cannot touch minimum manning period!! They are trying to break us down to get that. The furthest we can go touching minimum manning is giving a few more 10-68 days in exchange for raises but I doubt that would be enough for them so fvck em
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Post by lost on Jan 28, 2014 10:37:08 GMT -5
We simply just cannot touch minimum manning period!! They are trying to break us down to get that. The furthest we can go touching minimum manning is giving a few more 10-68 days in exchange for raises but I doubt that would be enough for them so fvck em The longer it drags on the more guys will back down and want to back off minimum manning. No way no how. I'd rather remain frozen than concede that.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 12:23:23 GMT -5
I have a few friends in corrections and they were told that the PBA and CSEA were not interested in working together. I always thought combining resources with other unions was the way to go.
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Post by watertight on Jan 28, 2014 17:11:43 GMT -5
Unbelievable the pba wasn't there back them. We sit back as always doing nothing but "talking". We need a revolt and I'm sure the pba wont lead us there.
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Post by redstone14 on Jan 29, 2014 2:15:47 GMT -5
IMO, the union is too proud to give up posts it took them years to create. However, they must put pride aside in order to protect their members interest at this place in time. Officer safety is between you and the union. The elimination of a post per precinct in some, but not all commands, might be an option worth exploring more aggressively. The union had nothing to do with setting up posts. The Department created them. When the 1st absorbed some of the 7th in 1970, the larger posts were split to form 2 posts. The PBA had no involvement as far as I know. Also, where did all the footposts called paper posts go? The Department just eliminated them as they pleased. Of course we didn't care because who wanted to spend 8 hours walking a lonely street half of which was a cemetary or 4 stores in a strip mall. I can see room for negotiation on manning if the Department would find ways to keep cars out on post instead of allowing them to be used for BS errands. Officer safety equals cars that are actually out on post and not out of service picking up food, uniforms, checks, prisoner transports, hospital babysitting, driving ambulances, school crossings, SH relief etc. Arrest processing should be: fill out 1 form and get back out on post. I know, impossible, but if the PD was a profit making corporation, some management geeks would figure out a way. A few posts could be dropped if the only reason a car was out of service was for a call for assistance from the public.
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Post by overthecap on Jan 29, 2014 7:36:37 GMT -5
You're probably right Red as far as initial input. I was referring more to locking in a body with a post regarding MM. I remember too that the 1st had a good part of Oceanside and possibly Island park. Not sure but Pt Lkout might have been their's too.
I remember in the summer many were on vacation and an entire quad off (5th) mid and you'd go down 5 cars or more. Several guys would be told you are covering 2 sectors, glass and all.
I remember the PBA helping to get 420, a Lawrence car moved to N. Long Beach, I.Park because of the call volume and up swing of clubs.
All good stuff to make our job safer and easier.
The job changed for the better and now it appears there is a reversal. It's all about the buck. SP posts gone, footposts gone, CDP gone......... all of which were posts on the roll call which supported the sector car for safety and back up.
The job has changed.
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Post by ncpdretired on Jan 29, 2014 8:30:11 GMT -5
Way back, the First had Oceanside, Island park, and Point Lookout. And a whole bunch of foot posts too.I never thought about it, but any time there was some stores and a nearby call box, there was a foot post. I remember that clearly in the Fifth when I walk a few times ( 12x8) on Central ave, from Hendrickson Ave to Merrick Road. Long walk on a cold and rainy nite…..even with over 4000 cops in uniform…….
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Post by overthecap on Jan 29, 2014 8:40:05 GMT -5
Way back, the First had Oceanside, Island park, and Point Lookout. And a whole bunch of foot posts too.I never thought about it, but any time there was some stores and a nearby call box, there was a foot post. I remember that clearly in the Fifth when I walk a few times ( 12x8) on Central ave, from Hendrickson Ave to Merrick Road. Long walk on a cold and rainy nite…..even with over 4000 cops in uniform……. Central Hardware and Everbest, both gone. Were they there in the 1800's?
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Post by ncpdretired on Jan 29, 2014 9:00:55 GMT -5
I do remember"The Trees" a bar/lounge on a corner of Central and a little street ,the name of which I don't remember. Steve Buscoti lived in the neighborhood and made a movie about it back then. He went on to become a pretty good actor later on in a few flicks. Call boxes were at Hendrickson and the other end of the post was one on Merrick Rd in front of the Porter House steak Restuarent. Still a lomg walk…. When I was a kid my dad use to take me to see the Airplanes land and take off from Curtis Field. Its now Green Acres shopping center. It was after the 1800s…...
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Post by redstone14 on Jan 29, 2014 12:04:13 GMT -5
You're probably right Red as far as initial input. I was referring more to locking in a body with a post regarding MM. The job changed for the better and now it appears there is a reversal. It's all about the buck. SP posts gone, footposts gone, CDP gone......... all of which were posts on the roll call which supported the sector car for safety and back up. The job has changed. I understand what you're saying about minimum manning as it now exists. What I am proposing is that if the union and the county can come to an agreement to eliminate some actual sectors, then all of the remaining posts would have to be manned. This won't work if the usual practice of pulling cars out of service for BS isn't ended. The idea is to keep cars out on the road for the public and for Officer safety. Getting everyone their contractual raises and steps back is going to require a lot of thinking outside the box. Cutting the cost of day to day operating expenses of the Police Department is the way to get everyone their due compensation.
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Post by overthecap on Jan 29, 2014 12:13:06 GMT -5
You're probably right Red as far as initial input. I was referring more to locking in a body with a post regarding MM. The job changed for the better and now it appears there is a reversal. It's all about the buck. SP posts gone, footposts gone, CDP gone......... all of which were posts on the roll call which supported the sector car for safety and back up. The job has changed. I understand what you're saying about minimum manning as it now exists. What I am proposing is that if the union and the county can come to an agreement to eliminate some actual sectors, then all of the remaining posts would have to be manned. This won't work if the usual practice of pulling cars out of service for BS isn't ended. The idea is to keep cars out on the road for the public and for Officer safety. Getting everyone their contractual raises and steps back is going to require a lot of thinking outside the box. Cutting the cost of day to day operating expenses of the Police Department is the way to get everyone their due compensation. That concept isn't new. Either no one could ever change it, or no one wanted to change it. Service oriented ............ neighbor parked in front of my house, garbage cans by my curb, broken pipe, no heat, lawnmower too loud, kids playing basketball, yada..yada..yada. We still respond and won't tell them it's not a police matter. It's the nature of the beast.
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Post by redstone14 on Jan 29, 2014 12:36:48 GMT -5
That concept isn't new. Either no one could ever change it, or no one wanted to change it. Service oriented ............ neighbor parked in front of my house, garbage cans by my curb, broken pipe, no heat, lawnmower too loud, kids playing basketball, yada..yada..yada. We still respond and won't tell them it's not a police matter. It's the nature of the beast. I was addressing BS from within the Department, not non Police related calls for service from the public. True, no one either could or wanted to change it. Times have drastically changed and now there is a big incentive to change things. But as long as we're there, most of the "We are a Service Department" stuff could be probably left as is. Most of the time those calls don't take long to handle and can be done while keeping a car in service. If it's busy or if cars have to leave uncompleted calls for an emergency, let CB keep track of them and reassign when manpower is available.
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