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Post by watertight on May 7, 2014 15:56:04 GMT -5
Glad you guys aren't instructing these guys what to say. According to you guys they shouldn't even be on restricted duty right? Watch how it plays out and after the cop on the pass side gets jammed up, go ask why. Maybe you will learn something.
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Post by rabbit on May 7, 2014 16:07:01 GMT -5
Just answer the phones & type some reports... skirt
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Post by watertight on May 7, 2014 16:26:08 GMT -5
Yes insults when someone doesn't agreed with you. If the pass cop doesn't get jammed up i will gladly apologize. If he does get jammed up, maybe you should rethink how much force you can use in this situation.
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Post by googleyes on May 7, 2014 16:27:47 GMT -5
Uh recovery of a weapon!!! Unless they are superman with X-ray vision you might have an argument. If the subject is in the car kicking at at the officers swinging his arms if YOU are a cop it's good perception that he may be reaching for a weapon to hurt you or your partner and if no weapon is found after the fact the blame is with the subject for not complying. I wouldn't want to be next to you on a car stop because by your logic there is a good chance I wouldn't make it home at the EOT or you would throw me under the bus to IAU after shvt hit the fan. Only the cops involved here can articulate if they perceived danger to themselves, comments otherwise on a public forum just as this can only do damage to these cops and as a brother officer I'm willing to give them the benefit of standing by them and not running for cover like a coward. It's funny how the press or his attorney never mentioned his prior multiple burglary collars!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 16:39:18 GMT -5
I'm sure this guy was pushing the cops off while he tried to destroy evidence but Its hard to justify knees to the face. You have to be in danger to be that aggressive, not just trying to gain custody. Hopefully there is more that shows they were justified. Rat SQD in the house.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2014 16:46:18 GMT -5
Watertight, I guess after someone refuses to comply with you you just add a pretty please and it all works out. You really need to go back and study up on your use of force training and I also hope I don't work with you because you sound like you'd be kinda reserved in a a use of force situation. The only thing that does is get guys hurt.
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Post by k9packerspd on May 7, 2014 16:55:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately this is what the media does to people. I work next to a few guys who are "hesitant" to go hands on when push comes to shove because of this. The whole limelight, monday morning QB the media does in it's bias ways has a few guys forgetting they're the POLICE. They rather be walked over on then take control of a situation, when, in all fairness could be life or death in the blink of an eye. The old saying I rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6...If a knee to the face can save my life because the perp isn't complying, so be it.
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Post by crates on May 7, 2014 17:41:27 GMT -5
They should be able to articulate why they did what they did with out a problem. These guys have some time on. If they do end up taking a rip or worse for it it will be political or an in ability to articulate the threat that the perceived or both. The old saying "I rather be tried by twelve than carried by six" comes to mind.
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Post by siggy on May 7, 2014 17:55:30 GMT -5
I can't believe that any real cop could look at this video and based solely on that say these guys did something wrong and will get jammed up. I'm going to use whatever force I feel is necessary to make sure I go home at the end of the day. I expect my coworkers to do the same and for us all to back each other up when we have to.
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Post by tunnelsdark on May 7, 2014 19:11:05 GMT -5
You think knee to the face to gain custody is justified when you are not in danger? Tell that to a jury and see how it goes. But your right siggy, if that's what you do on the street, i dont want to work near you. I like my job. Unless a weapon was recovered or the cop on the drivers side has some injuries, the cop on the pass side is in serious trouble. A video only shows so much, hopefully there is more but a jury sees that video, it's an uphill battle. Don't know what video you saw buddy, but I saw at least two guns in the one I watched. We Go Home
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Post by smallville on May 7, 2014 20:04:55 GMT -5
Unfortunately this is what the media does to people. I work next to a few guys who are "hesitant" to go hands on when push comes to shove because of this. The whole limelight, monday morning QB the media does in it's bias ways has a few guys forgetting they're the POLICE. They rather be walked over on then take control of a situation, when, in all fairness could be life or death in the blink of an eye. The old saying I rather be judged by 12 then carried by 6...If a knee to the face can save my life because the perp isn't complying, so be it. What some don't realize is the cops DID show restraint. The perp could have gotten himself killed.
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Post by pdcn63 on May 8, 2014 12:10:53 GMT -5
Yes insults when someone doesn't agreed with you. If the pass cop doesn't get jammed up i will gladly apologize. If he does get jammed up, maybe you should rethink how much force you can use in this situation. how much force would you use if the subject admits in his news 12 interview that he " reached" and also was trying to destroy evidence and in my eyes escape... why did he jump from the drivers side to the passenger side seat? also you can only see the knees being thrown by the cop, can you see the subject in the car and what he is doing? ie throwing punches, kicking, biting?... put in for the police academy you would be great there
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Post by googleyes on May 8, 2014 14:19:19 GMT -5
Watertight, Nobody here is saying we can just run around tuning people up. Being heavy handed in this day and age will get you jammed up but that doesn't mean we can never put our hands on people when justified to do so. Unless you got a different angle into that car it's not possible to see the subjects actions inside the car and I'd bet he did something pretty stupid like putting them in fear of their safety and no matter how ugly it looks they did everything they had to do to gain control of a non complient subject who may or may not have been armed. Once he was in custody under control it was hands off. Politics will probably come into play here even when totally justified. Have you ever worked the street because your reaction sounds more civilian to me. The subjects actions caused a reaction and they dont owe anyone an apology for doing what they felt was necessary to control the situation. Headquarters 10-78 get some cars here forthwith......watertight: I'm on an unavoidable car stop I'll adjust.....have a real cop respond to assist that unit also can you put me on the list!!!!
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Post by redstone14 on May 9, 2014 10:35:23 GMT -5
The Nassau incident was relatively uncomplicated. Imagine analyzing this......Police Shooting Frenzy Raises ConcernsMay 6, 2014 11:23 PM MIAMI (CBSMiami) – On December 10, more than two dozen police officers from across Miami Dade County converged on a blue Volvo that had crashed in the backyard of a townhouse on 65th Street just off 27th Avenue. As the car was wedged helplessly between a light pole and a tree, nearly a minute passed before officers opened up – firing approximately 50 bullets at the car and the two unarmed men inside the vehicle. The two men inside the car survived that initial volley of gunfire, according to witnesses, who said they could see the men moving inside the Volvo. Everything went quiet for nearly two minutes before the officers opened up a second time – unleashing an unrelenting torrent of bullets that lasted almost 25 seconds. By the time it was over, the two men inside the car were dead. CBS4 News has learned a total of 23 officers fired a total of at least 377 rounds...... Read entire story here: miami.cbslocal.com/2014/05/06/police-shooting-frenzy-raises-concerns/
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Post by onthejob on May 9, 2014 14:42:19 GMT -5
ENOUGH SAID
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