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Post by oscarthomas on Sept 6, 2013 17:15:22 GMT -5
its not weird. its the union fvcking us again!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by oscarthomas on Sept 6, 2013 17:20:48 GMT -5
Please, someone tell me that I am wrong.
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Post by tensevencop on Sept 6, 2013 17:25:09 GMT -5
I see what your saying, I think it's a mistake to be honest, the PBA was in such a rush to get this out they probably screwed up by accident. The last extension got everyone except the last class to top pay 1 year earlier and the new chart today doesn't show that.
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Post by kablaam on Sept 6, 2013 17:27:16 GMT -5
I think they forgot that they took a step away in the 13-14-15 extension. Im sure its a misprint and will be cleared up. What matters is the contract, and the contract clearly states that there is a NEW salary schedule for only those hired AFTER implementation.
I've read the whole thing three times over. Unless I'm an idiot (possible), please correct me.
This MOA explicitly states, that anything not modified will remain in full force. Nothing in this MOA modifies current hires steps.
You guys are OK on that part IMO
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Post by oscarthomas on Sept 6, 2013 17:35:25 GMT -5
I hope you guys are right.
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Post by oscarthomas on Sept 6, 2013 17:37:14 GMT -5
new email makes it look like you are right, my blood pressure is returning to normal.
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Post by zzzz on Sept 6, 2013 17:53:52 GMT -5
I just finished reading the agreement. In my opinion it's not bad. It's not giving up a lot and getting most monetary give backs later. So actually in the financial situation the county is in we really aren't giving up any money. We are deferring some down the line but us 1% ers are getting back pay in installments 2014, 2015, 2016. ( which to me is ok because of taxes) retro be it 1% or the 4% for the senior guys will be payed by jan 1 for the 1st yr lawsuit and so on according to the literature. Holiday pay/ equipment checks we aren't losing either just deferred. Small raises in 2016, 2017. So unless I'm reading incorrectly money wise it's ok. Also by the time this is ratified and approved by all party's involved here ( Pba members, legislature, nifa) it'll be at least November anyway. Also if nifa approves, it states they can't freeze us again until after dec 31 2017. Healthcare is no cost to dec 31 2020. That's HUGE guys. That in my opinion is very very important these days. Civilianization sucks but oh well. Vacations were kinda hard hit. That's a bit painful. Also the 1 less personal day that they allow off per tour sucks too. But they didn't touch minimum manning or post cars. New guys being hired have a new tier and pay into healthcare. Ok sucks but you know what it is before getting hired. There's other stuff that's in there but that's the gist. I don't know if its me but I really don't think it's a bad deal to sign up for. We sign this deal and its approved we got it. We can wait for the lawsuit but if we win then who knows when the county will pay.... Look at the assessments due to the homeowners... County still didn't pay them in full. If we lose the appeal then its wait wait wait more... I'm tired of waiting and I want my money!!!!!
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Post by crates on Sept 6, 2013 19:17:39 GMT -5
Wait if there is a type-o or some conflicting info which one are supposed to believe is right? Also for something this important they should have more informational meetings. I work both days on nights can't make either one. I k kw others are in the same boat.
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Post by smallville on Sept 6, 2013 19:39:18 GMT -5
Giving up an MOA day is gonna be painful as well. People take that for granted now, but taking time off and flexibility like we've known is nothing to sneer at. Lose one now, could lose the other one further down the line...I know i'll be laughed at but, stuff like that is another thing that makes our job great. Don't know how to quote, but you re right. I could live with giving up one of these points but not all of them. PBA can not gaurentee us that we will not be frozen again. The lawsuit is the best bet. Besides what happens if two years when the county has no money? The chance of getting off just got reduced by 50%. I hate this part of the deal. Here comes an increase in sick time.
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Post by lost on Sept 6, 2013 21:07:02 GMT -5
I just finished reading the agreement. In my opinion it's not bad. It's not giving up a lot and getting most monetary give backs later. So actually in the financial situation the county is in we really aren't giving up any money. We are deferring some down the line but us 1% ers are getting back pay in installments 2014, 2015, 2016. ( which to me is ok because of taxes) retro be it 1% or the 4% for the senior guys will be payed by jan 1 for the 1st yr lawsuit and so on according to the literature. Holiday pay/ equipment checks we aren't losing either just deferred. Small raises in 2016, 2017. So unless I'm reading incorrectly money wise it's ok. Also by the time this is ratified and approved by all party's involved here ( Pba members, legislature, nifa) it'll be at least November anyway. Also if nifa approves, it states they can't freeze us again until after dec 31 2017. Healthcare is no cost to dec 31 2020. That's HUGE guys. That in my opinion is very very important these days. Civilianization sucks but oh well. Vacations were kinda hard hit. That's a bit painful. Also the 1 less personal day that they allow off per tour sucks too. But they didn't touch minimum manning or post cars. New guys being hired have a new tier and pay into healthcare. Ok sucks but you know what it is before getting hired. There's other stuff that's in there but that's the gist. I don't know if its me but I really don't think it's a bad deal to sign up for. We sign this deal and its approved we got it. We can wait for the lawsuit but if we win then who knows when the county will pay.... Look at the assessments due to the homeowners... County still didn't pay them in full. If we lose the appeal then its wait wait wait more... I'm tired of waiting and I want my money!!!!! Please don't take offense, but Unfortunately you're the type of guy they are banking on to vote yes; so tired of not gettig money that you'll vote for pretty much anything. The fact you have to rationalize to yourself that "it's not that much" or "it's painful but" or "civilianization oh well" should tell you that it's not a good deal for us. And 2020 for health care? Some of us are gonna be here long after that; how come we could not get it for remainder of time on the job as suffolk did? They grandfathered all their current cops into that if i recall correctly. And guys take for granted being able to take time off; ask around some of the folks that were here before MOA days, etc and ask what i was like. Got a last minute problem need the day? Tough shvt. Stuck on a crappy call/arrest for 8 hours ot, feel like burning a few hours and taking the next night/day off? Tough shvt. Just getting to the point where you were getting a set or 2 vacation in the summer? Not anymore, we decreased the number by 2 so you don't make the cut; can't get a personal day either because the 1 spot is already taken. And i'm also a one percenter so i'm coming at this from stuck in steps as well. We're selling the future of this job with this "deal" just to get what we should already have and have already won on in the first court ruling. And to think ahead in the future, what will we have left to bargain with in 2017? The last MOA day? Healthcare in 2021? Maybe decrease vacation percentage even more? Minimum manning? 9 hour rule? It's about all we have left.
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Post by watertight on Sept 6, 2013 21:56:13 GMT -5
There are some positives to the retro being paid out over a few years even with the 1%'s having to wait so long to get it. Getting one small and 2 big checks spread out helps with taxes. It's paid in January which is a big bonus. You will FICA out quick which is a very nice bump.
It would of been a lot better to total your retro up, and split it up even over 3 years. Much fairer then the guys in steps having to wait a year plus to get their $. Why is it always the guys in the steps take the biggest hit?
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Post by regrets on Sept 6, 2013 22:38:18 GMT -5
First of all I do not think NIFA will sign off on this deal. But if I would hope that members would pass this deal. I hear what everyone is saying about vaca & the personal day. It's huge. But the bottom line is that the lawsuit is not a guarantee, we can lose or it can can be bumped to state (and nifa is a board appointed by state). Also lawsuit is only for 2011, we would still have desperate lawsuits for 12 & 13. Yes I'm in steps & yes I need the money. But too many risks with the lawsuit. I just don't see how nifa signs off on this.
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Post by opie on Sept 6, 2013 22:40:33 GMT -5
I think the pba had to make it more beneficial to the 4%ers to get them to vote YES. There is no way they would vote YES on any deal in which it was just more beneficial to those stuck in steps.
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Post by regrets on Sept 6, 2013 22:55:05 GMT -5
Sorry typos above, not desperate, meant separate. So 4%'s want to risk making $134k for the lawsuit in which we may lose? And guys are that are retiring are just going to roll dice & see what happens? In a perfect world there is no nifa but this is where we are at. It sux with the givebacks but as many top pay guys have personally told me, it's all about the money. I don't necessarily agree with that but in this situation I do.
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Post by ftnyrs on Sept 6, 2013 22:58:02 GMT -5
And take a look at when that HUGE 1.75% increase occurs in 2016........DECEMBER 31, 2016....so we ALL take a 0% for 2016. Thats great. Also each year the wage and longevity increases kick in JULY instead of JANUARY.......just giving back six more months or supplemental earnings. By the way there will be next to NO SHORT ROLL CALL because of the new hires AND the reduction of the MOA days. Selling our souls for money that is OWED to us contractually. Im a 1% who should have been at top pay in 2012 and I need the $ but this is cut throat.
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