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Post by 1090cop on Oct 9, 2013 20:45:10 GMT -5
My vote gas been swung. Team O'Reilly all the way!
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Post by unregistered5150 on Oct 9, 2013 20:46:36 GMT -5
What e-mail? Are you getting this from your delegates? The PBA didn't send any e-mails out.
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Post by vegaskid on Oct 9, 2013 21:04:31 GMT -5
October 9, 2013 NassauPBA.org
To All Members: Today, the Nassau County Interim Finance Authority, NIFA, held an open meeting at 5:00 pm in Uniondale. I attended the meeting along with several PBA Executive Board members. Our proposed contract was not officially voted on during the meeting because NIFA is still further reviewing it.
Unfortunately, they did state on the record that they were not likely to approve a deal that consisted of back wages being restored. They based their decision on the advice of counsel who believes they will be successful in court. However, Chairman John Kaiman did state that he is open to sitting down with the unions to try and settle the wage freeze because he realizes the toll it is taking on the employees, and that there were a lot of positive strides in our deal.
I have set up a meeting with him for next Thursday. Mr. Kaiman seems genuinely interested to try and end this situation. We still maintain the deal works for both sides and we believe we will ultimately be successful with the court case, however, that can take up to a couple of years.
I still want to push this deal to get our members out of steps and into top pay while we maintain our fight. I did not offer any changes to the deal, and if any changes are made, it automatically gets sent back to you for your approval.
Bringing this deal forward was the catalyst to bring change to the NIFA board. This change was essential to put us in a situation to get through this. I will continue the fight to bring this to a successful conclusion.
Jim Carver jcarver@nassaupba.org
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Post by doughnut on Oct 9, 2013 21:27:25 GMT -5
Did anyone really believe Nifa was going to say yes to back wages? For Christ sake they just had the federal court give them a 2 year gift. All I will say is be prepared to lose in state court which will take a minimum of 2 years, so that's this time 2015. Then be prepared to have your pay frozen for a few years after that, so say 2017, 2018. Then when and if you are unfrozen be prepared to take it on the chin once more by only being bumped up one step just like buffalo. You don't like moving up only one step no prob fight it in court for the next 3 years. So before everyone starts going nuts ask yourself where does the bleeding stop? Me I'm ready after $300,000 in lost pay by coming to this shvt show. I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but again I ask are you willing to continue to lose 35k plus a year if your stuck in steps! and for how long?
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Post by zzzz on Oct 9, 2013 21:47:27 GMT -5
And Kaiman wants an end to the freeze because HE KNOWS the toll it's taking on employees? HE KNOWS? Fvck these people. Don't pitty me. These politicians have NO fvcking clue what toll this BS freeze is taking on me or anybody else. I love when these wealthy assholes play with our lives and get away with it. Again VOTE them OUT!!!!!
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Post by crates on Oct 9, 2013 21:48:05 GMT -5
This sucks. What a let down. So much for coumo wanting mangano to win. Caver should start packing too.
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Post by lost on Oct 9, 2013 22:19:08 GMT -5
This sucks. What a let down. So much for coumo wanting mangano to win. Carver should start packing too. Our leadership just got played big time, with only a few weeks before the election we are essentially marginalized, with not enough time to make a difference. Seems like that might have been the plan all along.
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Post by nybuild1 on Oct 10, 2013 1:44:05 GMT -5
Did anyone really believe Nifa was going to say yes to back wages? For Christ sake they just had the federal court give them a 2 year gift. All I will say is be prepared to lose in state court which will take a minimum of 2 years, so that's this time 2015. Then be prepared to have your pay frozen for a few years after that, so say 2017, 2018. Then when and if you are unfrozen be prepared to take it on the chin once more by only being bumped up one step just like buffalo. You don't like moving up only one step no prob fight it in court for the next 3 years. So before everyone starts going nuts ask yourself where does the bleeding stop? Me I'm ready after $300,000 in lost pay by coming to this shvt show. I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but again I ask are you willing to continue to lose 35k plus a year if your stuck in steps! and for how long? I agree. Before all this O'Reilly nonsense continues...slowdown and take a breath. Carver continues with negotiations. You guys are worse than my wife. Their are still plenty of ways that this can play out.
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Post by 1090cop on Oct 10, 2013 7:51:06 GMT -5
Did anyone really believe Nifa was going to say yes to back wages? For Christ sake they just had the federal court give them a 2 year gift. All I will say is be prepared to lose in state court which will take a minimum of 2 years, so that's this time 2015. Then be prepared to have your pay frozen for a few years after that, so say 2017, 2018. Then when and if you are unfrozen be prepared to take it on the chin once more by only being bumped up one step just like buffalo. You don't like moving up only one step no prob fight it in court for the next 3 years. So before everyone starts going nuts ask yourself where does the bleeding stop? Me I'm ready after $300,000 in lost pay by coming to this shvt show. I don't like it anymore than the rest of you, but again I ask are you willing to continue to lose 35k plus a year if your stuck in steps! and for how long? You are a cop you should be able to see through this malarkey. Team O'Reilly! I agree. Before all this O'Reilly nonsense continues...slowdown and take a breath. Carver continues with negotiations. You guys are worse than my wife. Their are still plenty of ways that this can play out. You are a cop you should see through this malarkey. Team O'Reilly!
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Post by crates on Oct 10, 2013 7:54:07 GMT -5
Don't think people will vote for another deal withou retro while still having all the givebacks this was carvers chance to get it done and it blew up. When the say they are unlikely to pass it publicly it means they are not going to. Now they will have to deal with moral taking another hit, not being able to hire,people leaving and crime going up.
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Post by overthecap on Oct 10, 2013 9:03:23 GMT -5
This is the 3rd time I'm posting this since this pay freeze debacle started. Maybe it's too late, maybe not. There is a differance between a 1% raise only for those in steps and the raise for the next step a year later. A freeze on wages (1% for those in steps and 3% for those at top pay) is different than the step compensation and promotion compensation. These differences should have been addressed separately from the salary freeze IMO. Those making Detective or Sergeant are given that (title increase ) as should those in steps. The Federal Gov't sees it that way too. Some one may want to look into it. Those in steps are getting hit twice and is truly a travesty. GL Federal workers will still receive raises despite pay freeze2:11 AM 12/02/2010 F. Vincent VernuccioDirector of Labor Policy, Mackinac Center for Public President Obama’s proposal of a pay freeze for federal employees is a small step towards curbing government spending. However, a closer look shows there is less to it than meets the eye. In fact, many federal employees will still see their salaries increased. While Obama’s plan would stop the annual across-the-board cost of living adjustment (COLA) for all federal workers, it will not stop workers from getting raises altogether. The freeze will not affect pay raises for job classification upgrades. As an official at the Office of Management and Budget told Federal News Radio, “ employees will still be eligible for step increases.”Step promotions — also known as “within-grade increases” — are mandated by statute. They are nearly automatic as long as an employee performs his job adequately.
The law governing federal employee pay states, “a within-grade increase shall be effective on the first day of the first pay period following completion of the required waiting period and in compliance with the conditions of eligibility.”Read more: dailycaller.com/2010/12/02/federal-workers-will-still-receive-raises-despite-pay-freeze/#ixzz2hKN9lW4Wdailycaller.com/2010/12/02/federal-workers-will-still-receive-raises-despite-pay-freeze/
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Post by stillnosteps on Oct 10, 2013 9:31:47 GMT -5
Overthecap is right.. like I've been saying all along..our lawyers are horrible and to make matters worse, they just got a 30 something percent raise. If that's not a spit in the face to the membership, then I don't know what is. And how much did this vote just cost us? How long till we run out of money and have absolutely nothing to show for it? We need new leadership. TEAM OREILLY!
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Post by zzzz on Oct 10, 2013 10:33:00 GMT -5
Bottom line here the way I see it is....... WE back the candidate that WILL likely raise taxes. TOM SUOZZI. Then we sit down with him and negotiate a contract extension through 4 years he's in office. Basically they want 2 things.... 1) new hires paying into healthcare 2) minimum manning..... Well at this point if we can get our back pay and steps AND raises I say maybe look into minimum manning on days like MON TUES WED maybe THURS. Add a few more 10-68 days per command. I'm not saying get nuts and eliminate posts but adding 10-68 days on days or nights that are dead during winter months might entice SUOZZI to negotiate. We need to ENDORSE SUOZZI. Continue with the lawsuit and hope we can negotiate with a new CE..... At this rate if we don't its gonna be 2017 or 2018 before We see any $$. Anybody have anything better to offer lets here it. We really need to organize a protest or something and if these new candidates running for PBA wanna make a difference lets see them organize something.... They are still members of the PBA aren't they?
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Post by sig4life on Oct 10, 2013 11:15:53 GMT -5
I agree with over the cap, we need to help people in steps getting kicked in the nuts twice is not acceptable by missing out on steps and raises. We need to figure out something to let people go through steps at the very least.
As for zzzz you can't sell out minimum manning willingly, cause no one will ever put less cops in the street at the expense of giving current cops more compensation, in the publics eye there is no damn way they would want that. Taking cops off the street for more money is bad practice. IMHO
Let's take the fight one step at a time, help guys in steps and keep the lawsuit going, PBA needs to figure this out now!
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Post by tensevencop on Oct 10, 2013 11:23:08 GMT -5
How about making the deal more enticing by eliminating the equipment allowance all together. Nifa isn't stupid and sees that deferring isn't really savings. I mean come on we will be making 134k base, do we really need that thousand dollars? I don't want to give up anything, but I cannot afford to be frozen for 3 more years either. And I agree don't touch minimum manning. You can make that equipment check back with one hit of OT at top pay.
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