fiveo
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Post by fiveo on Oct 10, 2013 11:27:17 GMT -5
As for the equipment check, I think it's law that if they require a uniform they have to give you money to maintain it, so we wouldn't be able to bargain that away. We can defer it, but not eliminate it
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Post by doughnut on Oct 10, 2013 11:41:38 GMT -5
This is the 3rd time I'm posting this since this pay freeze debacle started. Maybe it's too late, maybe not. There is a differance between a 1% raise only for those in steps and the raise for the next step a year later. A freeze on wages (1% for those in steps and 3% for those at top pay) is different than the step compensation and promotion compensation. These differences should have been addressed separately from the salary freeze IMO. Those making Detective or Sergeant are given that (title increase ) as should those in steps. The Federal Gov't sees it that way too. Some one may want to look into it. Those in steps are getting hit twice and is truly a travesty. GL Federal workers will still receive raises despite pay freeze2:11 AM 12/02/2010 F. Vincent VernuccioDirector of Labor Policy, Mackinac Center for Public President Obama’s proposal of a pay freeze for federal employees is a small step towards curbing government spending. However, a closer look shows there is less to it than meets the eye. In fact, many federal employees will still see their salaries increased. While Obama’s plan would stop the annual across-the-board cost of living adjustment (COLA) for all federal workers, it will not stop workers from getting raises altogether. The freeze will not affect pay raises for job classification upgrades. As an official at the Office of Management and Budget told Federal News Radio, “ employees will still be eligible for step increases.”Step promotions — also known as “within-grade increases” — are mandated by statute. They are nearly automatic as long as an employee performs his job adequately.
The law governing federal employee pay states, “a within-grade increase shall be effective on the first day of the first pay period following completion of the required waiting period and in compliance with the conditions of eligibility.”Read more: dailycaller.com/2010/12/02/federal-workers-will-still-receive-raises-despite-pay-freeze/#ixzz2hKN9lW4Wdailycaller.com/2010/12/02/federal-workers-will-still-receive-raises-despite-pay-freeze/Yes this would be a great argument if we worked for the Feds, however we are a local municipality and I am unaware of a law that mirrors this law on the local level. And if there is one then it should have been filed with the lawsuit in the very beginning. Someone mentioned guys in steps getting together in their own lawsuit, if you can find a labor attorney to take the case I say lets go. Unfortunately since we are represented by the PBA (one union) I think we would be hard pressed to find one. And doing so would make the union look even more weak. Anything that can go wrong has gone wrong at almost every turn, and the frustration and disgust for just about everyone is at an all time high.
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Post by lost on Oct 10, 2013 11:56:21 GMT -5
Bottom line here the way I see it is....... WE back the candidate that WILL likely raise taxes. TOM SUOZZI. Then we sit down with him and negotiate a contract extension through 4 years he's in office. Basically they want 2 things.... 1) new hires paying into healthcare 2) minimum manning..... Well at this point if we can get our back pay and steps AND raises I say maybe look into minimum manning on days like MON TUES WED maybe THURS. Add a few more 10-68 days per command. I'm not saying get nuts and eliminate posts but adding 10-68 days on days or nights that are dead during winter months might entice SUOZZI to negotiate. We need to ENDORSE SUOZZI. Continue with the lawsuit and hope we can negotiate with a new CE..... At this rate if we don't its gonna be 2017 or 2018 before We see any $$. Anybody have anything better to offer lets here it. We really need to organize a protest or something and if these new candidates running for PBA wanna make a difference lets see them organize something.... They are still members of the PBA aren't they? Minimum manning is the holy grail on our job; the second it goes, cops become vulnerable to layoffs, no matter how short in manpower you think we are.
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Post by lost on Oct 10, 2013 12:04:37 GMT -5
Unfortunately, i think what is gonna happen now is that the deal is going to be ammended to remove retro. Everything else would take effect and the lawsuit would continue for retro. They'd obviously have to remove the "we'll drop our lawsuit" language in the deal.
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Post by zzzz on Oct 10, 2013 12:07:49 GMT -5
I'm in no way suggesting getting rid of posts..... I'm saying more 10/68 days on weekdays. When it's dead. That actually will give spots open to take off too. It'll save on OT costs also. I would not lay up on weekends because of safety concerns but lets face it.... They want less cars on patrol. The public doesn't but the politicians do. Anything to save money they'll do. Be careful about giving up equipment checks... That's money in our pockets. Or holidays for that matter. Once there gone then its gone. There's not much left to give back that's for sure. All I know is gonna be 6 or 7 years of zero's the way it's going and that is an injustice. When is somebody gonna lead our members and fight the fight that needs to happen. Taxes have got to go up. They are going up dramatically in the wrong place with assessments. That money needs to be channelled in a different direction. Taxes in Nassau go up 6% on average a year but in the school portion but nobody fixes that. They just freeze workers for this problem and the public blames us. And idiot ED states on record he doesn't raise taxes..... Total DISGRACE this county is.
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Post by crates on Oct 10, 2013 12:17:08 GMT -5
Their hang up was retro. This is them screwing with us bc they know how we are desperate for our steps/raises. I could pass on retro if it ment no more freezes n no one on the job now would have to pay into health care, ever. Different people are in different situations. I don't think a no retro deal would pass the member ship. Too many people at top pay.
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Post by fiveo on Oct 10, 2013 12:20:33 GMT -5
The ONLY way I'd vote for a deal that removes the retro is if it it goes on the end when we retire. At this point, I need my step so badly that I'm willing to wait for the retro to when I retire. If it get eliminated all together, I can't see it passing the membership at all.
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Post by 1090cop on Oct 10, 2013 12:24:19 GMT -5
This will all be resolved by January. We will give up retro yet still fight for it in court.
Team Carver
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Post by sig4life on Oct 10, 2013 12:28:06 GMT -5
Tensevencop I agree with you, I have been without top pay for 2 full years now, going into a third year is unacceptable. I don't want to give anything up either but if all sides are willing to negotiate to come up with one final deal and put it to a vote, if members want it we will vote yes, I'm just tired of hurry up and wait.
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Post by crates on Oct 10, 2013 13:05:02 GMT -5
All parties coming together was supposed to be this deal.
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Post by opie on Oct 10, 2013 15:22:33 GMT -5
This will all be resolved by January. We will give up retro yet still fight for it in court. Team Carver Carver won't be pba president in January. It's over!
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Post by zzzz on Oct 10, 2013 15:31:51 GMT -5
There's no fvcking way I'm giving up back pay for any deal. It's just too much money to forget about. I was all in favor for a deal and voted yes but if they take back pay off the table then it's a huge NO for me. If its paid at retirement then maybe I'd consider it but taken completely away screw them. If anybody says give up retro/ back pay I'd say think about it just really think about it. That is essentially zero's for 2 1/2 years. Coming from the city where I got zero's for heros, I can tell you, you'll never make that up in your pension. We have to have our back pay period.
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Post by watertight on Oct 10, 2013 16:46:38 GMT -5
No retro is total bs. The guys going thru the steps have been taking the biggest hit for years, why should we take it again. It's just way too much money. No retro is a no vote for me, nothing would change my mind.
And going to the ny state court is bs. NIFA is state, how can we go to a ny state court when they are run by ny state and it be a fair trial? Lets push it to a different state. That would scare the shvt out of the county.
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Post by eltrabajogrande on Oct 10, 2013 16:58:51 GMT -5
Read ur email...
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Post by fakelottotix on Oct 10, 2013 17:33:25 GMT -5
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