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Post by redstone14 on Jan 12, 2012 14:41:43 GMT -5
Newsday Letter To Editor: Retired cops shouldn't have gunsPublished: January 11, 2012 6:19 PM Regarding "Cop-on-cop faceoffs occur, but fatalities rare" [News, Jan. 9], I am a retired New York City police officer and have never understood the need for law enforcement retirees to carry a gun. The unfortunate shooting death in Seaford by a retired member proves this. Retirees should let the past be the past and let real cops do what they have to do. Dennis Houlahan, Malverne www.newsday.com/opinion/letters/letter-retired-cops-shouldn-t-have-guns-1.3445677
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Post by rabbit on Jan 12, 2012 14:55:31 GMT -5
Dennis... YOU!!! ARE A DUMBASS... How about you stay retired & STFU!!!
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Post by opie on Jan 12, 2012 15:45:59 GMT -5
Dennis... YOU!!! ARE A DUMBASS... How about you stay retired & STFU!!! I'm thinking he got out on a psych pension. |
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Post by tim2188 on Jan 12, 2012 20:11:23 GMT -5
And a retired ID card stamped "No Firearm".
Was his last command the Whitestone pound ?
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Post by tensix on Jan 12, 2012 20:18:04 GMT -5
Moron
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Post by smallville on Jan 12, 2012 21:36:01 GMT -5
Hey, douche bag. You were probably a fvcking zero. STF up and move to Florida. Ever hear of protecting your family? I blame Applicant for this jackass.
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Post by liny on Jan 12, 2012 21:49:30 GMT -5
Someone else pointed out in the comments that Dennis appears on the list of permit holders. What an asshole!
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Post by lionsden on Jan 12, 2012 22:22:23 GMT -5
Great idea let's take the legal guns out of the hands of upstanding citizens who hapen to have at least 20+ years in law enforcement so that when the harden criminal with an ILLEGAL gun commits a violent crime with said gun there will be one less person out there to protect themselves or other innocent victims. WHAT A CONCEPT. I have a feeling Dennis that you didn't get a Christmas card from the Mensa Committee this year huh?
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Post by redstone14 on Jan 12, 2012 23:58:16 GMT -5
I would imagine that this unfortunate death from friendly fire really upset Mr. Houlahan just like it did to all of us. His perceived solution is based on pure emotion which many of the anti self defense crowd share. He doesn't hear about the lives that have been saved because of armed citizens, many of whom only display a weapon and never fire a shot. In fact, I think of my own firearm as a life preserver, my life and possibly others.
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Post by tornado on Jan 13, 2012 10:13:34 GMT -5
Dicks like Mr. Houlahan are a wet dream for the Brady Bill morons....disarm everyone! Then the criminals won't feel they have to be armed!!! Same mentality as the anti-nuclear weapons movement, especially during the Cold War- "if America & Great Britain give up their nuclear bombs, then the Soviet Union won't feel threatened by them and they'll disarm too!!!! YAY !!!!! Part of the pseudo-religion of Liberalism that is rotting this country like it has already done to most of Europe.
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Post by civilian0101 on Jan 21, 2012 8:59:20 GMT -5
Mr. Houlahan, as someone who I'm guessing didn't make a lot of arrests, I wonder if you realize that "real police officers" (your term, not mine!) sometimes arrest some pretty bad people. Do you think it's possible that someone who these "real police officers" put away for 20+ years just may, maybe, perhaps hold a grudge against the "real police officer" who put them away? And may, maybe, perhaps decide to come after them with the intent of doing harm to them or their families?
You, sir, are a moron!
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Post by googleyes on Jan 22, 2012 14:27:40 GMT -5
There were three heros at the Pharmacy robbery and only one person is to blame for the tragic death of hero ATF Agent John Capano. That is the mope that went to rob the Pharmacy. On the street things aren't going to play out like the do when you are in a controlled training enviroment. Things can and do go bad but that does not mean we should stop taking action. We are cops its what we do, if you want to go hide when shvt hits the fan then maybe you should rethink your career choice. I don't know Mr Dennis Houlahan's background in Law Enforcement but just reading his asinine statements I doubt his career was a memorable one. These Hero's should not be criticized they should be commended for their actions and there is only one person to blame for how it played out. Rest In Peace Agent Capano......
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Post by btdt on Jan 22, 2012 19:58:49 GMT -5
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Post by btdt on Jan 22, 2012 20:00:22 GMT -5
Guest column: Robert A. Young ... Should retired police carry guns nationally?
By Robert A. Young Naples and Rome, PA Young is a free-lance writer and retired Philadelphia police investigator and instructor. Young winters in Naples and maintains an energy-related blog, GOMARCELL
Posted January 22, 2012 at 4 a.m.
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Recently a real-life drama unfortunately ended with two dead on a street in Seaford, Long Island, New York.
It was a law enforcement tragedy that presents questions whether or not active and retired officers should have the right to carry firearms outside their home jurisdictions and throughout the nation.
According to the New York Times, a retired and armed Nassau County police lieutenant joined an equally armed, off-duty cop who was out of his New York City beat, and they both responded to a report of a robbery.
The men happened upon two others wrestling over a handgun. Neither men actually knew the identity of the offender, or the other male who was struggling for control of the gun; but they took official action anyway, and a weapon went off during the chaos.
The individual attempting to keep his firearm turned out to be an off-duty ATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) agent. Reportedly, while patronizing a local business, he first pursued the alleged offender and stopped him before the duo arrived.
During the melee, the retired commander responded to the discharge by shooting and killing the agent. The alleged robber then grabbed the agent's gun, and the NYPD officer shot and killed him.
Friendly-fire deaths, such as this one, happen on occasion in war and policing, and it was reported that Nassau County in New York (where this incident occurred) experienced another friendly-fire case four days earlier.
Reportedly, the former lieutenant recently retired after 27 years in the Nassau County Police Department, which is one of the highest-paid law enforcement agencies in New York State.
It is unclear if the pensioner will be charged, or if his alleged use of lethal force in a civilian capacity was justified. It is unusual for ATF agents to engage in exigent street level crimes such as this, which are typically left for local police to handle.
The NYPD officer had statewide arrest powers, but it is unknown whether he is indemnified by the city while off duty, outside of his jurisdiction, and in his conduct resorting to deadly force. Reportedly, the matter is under investigation by authorities.
Meanwhile, many other questions still remain unanswered. Should the pensioner have jumped into the fray? Could all of the responders have simply acquired a description of the offender and reported it immediately to police? What was the emergency? It was reported in the news that the offender committed a minor robbery brandishing a pellet gun.
Subsequent investigation by the local on-duty police probably would have enabled the safe arrest later with a warrant and adequately organized backup, which may very well have spared two lives.
This sad incident is emblematic of the need for lawmakers to repeal the Law Enforcement Officer's Safety Act of 2010, which is the federal law that gives qualified active and retired officers the "right" to carry a concealed firearm across state lines and throughout the nation without local prohibitions.
Today, states are qualifying police retirees, based on relatively lax requirements, weak vetting procedures and virtually no advanced training for the pensioners. Even qualified disabled police are eligible to carry a firearm around the county, but the certification must be renewed yearly.
With such a hodgepodge of police departments operating in the United States at all levels, the process of certifying retired officers is in itself especially problematic.
The deadly Seaford tragedy should serve as a wake-up call exemplifying the need for additional federal oversight, heightened medical and psychiatric screening, increased background checks, use of force training and accountability across the board in this vital area of public safety. Perhaps, a better option is to repeal this ill-conceived and inadequately implemented national law altogether, and leave the police work to the "real cops," the active, sworn, licensed, on-duty police practitioners already serving every day at the grassroots level in our American communities.
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Post by coots on Jan 23, 2012 1:08:33 GMT -5
What the hell's going on with the Philly PD Hierarchy? Did somebody put drugs in the HQ water coolers?...First the Captain at the OWS protests now this nut.
What does a Police Department salary have to do with this incident?
A minor robbery?...no robbery is a minor crime
What a jackass!!!
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