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Post by tensevencop on Sept 9, 2013 13:34:55 GMT -5
I will stick with my first impression
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Post by zzzz on Sept 9, 2013 14:14:23 GMT -5
County assessments ABSOLUTELY was a court order to pay the homeowners. County after 2 years is bonding money finally to pay SOME of the victories by the homeowners
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Post by nybuild1 on Sept 9, 2013 15:10:41 GMT -5
Go to the meetings and air your concerns. Someone stated earlier both sides bring valid points. Find out what's acceptable to you. You can't just have a closed minded attitude in negotiations. Yes it sucks that there are any givebacks but take into consideration not the bad but also the good. Medical to 2020 is huge. No NIFA until 2018. Retro in basically two years. The good more than outweighs the supposed bad. Where do I sign?
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Post by nybuild1 on Sept 9, 2013 15:11:50 GMT -5
And how do I get more stars next to my name? I want to feel important too. Lol
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Post by tiredofwaiting on Sept 9, 2013 16:59:53 GMT -5
I was mistaking in my post. I am getting absolutely no longevity(not retro). Suffolks deal, Glen Cove PD, Nassau DA squad and Hempstead PD recent deals they did not touch the current members health care it was only the new hires. Saying fvck you pay me is not balls it is common sense. We negotiated a contract was signed by both parties including the current county exe. Remember he created this mess with the taxes he removed(I am also a Nassau county resident). It is time for the county to pay up. The people who hates are a small few who constantly complain about everything and because nobody is standing up for us in the press. I didn't see Nassau county residents complain at the school budget votes. like I said 98% of them passed and the public got to vote on them. Giving in to the county and not letting the lawsuit playout is having no balls and no brains. Why is Carver all of a sudden in bed with Mangano? What is he getting out of this? Very strange? He stated adimantly at the meeting all negotiations were off the table. We are holding all the cards and yet we are still giving up way to much. County will not have the option of saying we cant pay it would be a court award they would have to abide by it or face serve penalties. Walker already has said they will bond it too pay. Health care is not coming into play anytime soon. When appeal is upheld all lawsuits will be joined into one. Same argument for all three. NIFa cant just go to Albany and ask to rewrite the NIFA law. A request has to come from Nassau County legislature with a vote in a home rule message. Then it has to go through the commitees in Albany and then through the full legislature(both parts) and then if it passes it has to get signed by the governor and then there is a waiting period before it can be enforced. This is not a simple processThis came straight from the PBA lawyers.
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Post by lost on Sept 9, 2013 17:40:12 GMT -5
I love the full first page of "we better do this or else" in the informational booklet that was printed. Scare tactics.
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Post by overthecap on Sept 9, 2013 17:48:42 GMT -5
I have no interest in the yes or no vote, however, I wish you all luck in the final outcome.
My only observation is that what guarantees do you have that you all won't be back again on this subject next year, if all you have is the written words as before.
Gl
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Post by k9packerspd on Sept 9, 2013 21:24:47 GMT -5
Why is Carver all of a sudden in bed with Mangano? What is he getting out of this? Very strange? He stated adimantly at the meeting all negotiations were off the table. Anything to do with his son going into the next class? Test does die at the end of this month. Naaaaaaa couldn't be
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Post by regrets on Sept 9, 2013 23:40:46 GMT -5
VOTE YES!!!! most likely nifa won't pass this deal but give it a chance...Some of you guys sound very foolish & greedy. We are cops, not doctors & lawyers. First off besides getting all of the money owed now but with the new contract in 17 we actually get more raises. In this economic time, we are getting raises??? There is going to be another crash, worse than the one in 08. And u people want to vote this down? We might lose lawsuit but even if we win its only for 2011 and there are more appeals to come. Plus do u realize how important locking up health care is. So in 2018, a cop with let's say 20 yrs on, with full night diff and holidays/uniform will b back without 1 hour of Ot will be at $170,000. That's not good enough? You guys vote no and u will be regretting this for a long time. There are no guarantees in life. But if NIFA somehow approves this, we will be guaranteed our money, actually get raises (which I can't even believe) and lock in health care. But vote no, wait for the crash, see what happens with the lawsuit & maybe just maybe we will win for 2011 and see what happens the other years.
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Post by regrets on Sept 9, 2013 23:45:26 GMT -5
And no I'm not a delegate or part of the board nor do I want to be. I'm just someone who never thought I would have a chance at that kind of money ESP working in the city for 10 yrs before coming to Nassau. I'm not greedy! Losing some vac days in this new deal sux but we have best schedule in the world & we can always mutual. Look at the big picture in these economic times. Vote Yes!!!
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Post by coots on Sept 10, 2013 0:08:49 GMT -5
Newsday
NIFA on Nassau Police Union Deal: It May Be Illegal
9-9-13 - Nassau's financial control board Monday criticized County Executive Edward Mangano's proposed contract with the county's largest police union, saying the deal appears flawed and possibly illegal.
The Nassau Interim Finance Authority's board of directors issued an unusual statement citing a potential problem with the pact, which was negotiated by Mangano with the county Police Benevolent Association and announced to the news media over the weekend. Union members are expected to vote on the deal before the end of the month.
NIFA cited "questionable" wage deferrals that it said cannot be used to balance the county's budget, which is supposed to be in the black by 2015. It said payment of any wages lost during an existing freeze would raise "significant legal issues."
The control board generally does not comment on contracts or budgets that have yet to be approved by the county legislature. But the board, which said in its statement that it had not been briefed on the agreement nor provided a copy, said, "We believed it important to explain the apparent flaws in what has been reported to be the basic structure of the agreement that is currently under discussion."
Mangano, a Republican running for re-election, and the 10 GOP county legislators, who are also up for election, said NIFA was not taking into consideration the cost to the county if it loses a federal PBA lawsuit challenging a wage freeze that the board imposed in 2011 at Mangano's request, spokesmen said.
"NIFA needs to be reminded that there are hundreds of millions of dollars in additional expenses at stake over and above the $320 million in savings envisioned in this agreement," said GOP legislative spokesman Frank Moroney.
PBA president James Carver said, "The deal we have entered into with the county minimizes the risk of litigation and provides structural savings going forward. I believe when NIFA looks at the total package, they will realize that it may not be everything they want, but it's a fair deal."
A federal judge ruled in February that NIFA did not have the authority to suspend contractual pay hikes and annual step increases, estimated to have saved Nassau $230 million. NIFA appealed and a decision is expected shortly.
Mangano told reporters that the proposed pact, which would extend the PBA's current contract by two years through 2017, would save Nassau $320 million while lifting the wage freeze.
Though he did not provide a copy of the agreement, he said newly hired officers would be required to contribute to their health care and pension plans for the first time and they would have to work an extra year to reach the top salary step of nearly $130,000.
Carver said current officers would receive essentially all pay lost during the wage freeze, though Mangano aides said the payments would be deferred. Carver also said officers would receive their contractual raises of 3.5 percent this year and next, and 3.75 percent in 2015, though the pay increases would be effective July 1 instead of Jan. 1.
NIFA noted that it needs to approve any pact, and directed Nassau to turn over a copy.
But Deputy County Executive Ed Ward said NIFA was holding Mangano to a different standard than in the past when it allowed contracts with deferred and retroactive payments. "If you can show savings and it's within the county's [financial plan], then NIFA should approve it," he said.
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Post by since86 on Sept 10, 2013 6:14:07 GMT -5
Why is Carver all of a sudden in bed with Mangano? What is he getting out of this? Very strange? He stated adimantly at the meeting all negotiations were off the table. Anything to do with his son going into the next class? Test does die at the end of this month. Naaaaaaa couldn't be He will not be in the next class. I heard that he failed the physical, and there is no re-taking it.
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Post by 1090cop on Sept 10, 2013 6:42:55 GMT -5
Anything to do with his son going into the next class? Test does die at the end of this month. Naaaaaaa couldn't be He will not be in the next class. I heard that he failed the physical, and there is no re-taking it. Good you can't trust his father I am sure you can't trust him.
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Post by lost on Sept 10, 2013 7:07:04 GMT -5
He will not be in the next class. I heard that he failed the physical, and there is no re-taking it. Good you can't trust his father I am sure you can't trust him. That's really uncalled for.
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Post by 1090cop on Sept 10, 2013 7:08:32 GMT -5
Sorry but I was at the meeting where that snake Carver lied to 80 of us.
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