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Post by opie on Oct 1, 2013 15:45:15 GMT -5
Yeah you should at least have some type of platform to run on. They can start by running the PBA like a democracy that represents it's MEMBERS not a secret club where only certain people are in the know.
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Post by 1090cop on Oct 1, 2013 17:01:02 GMT -5
That's all fine and good and I think I agree the current board has been insufficient to say the least in this fight, but I really think we need to hear more from the three that are running.
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Post by nybuild1 on Oct 1, 2013 19:01:41 GMT -5
I don't think holding rallies was a good strategy. What would be the point? In this ass economy are we going to get public support? I don't think so. As far as being secretive, I just don't see that they were keeping anything from us. The lawsuit was doing it's thing. What were they supposed to report? Carver and gang struck when the iron was hot. Election time. Mangano needs savings. More importantly he needed recurring savings. We want this deal done. Both parties get what they want and need. As far as conspiracy theories is concerned, Carver stated before it's beneficial for all parties involved to settle. There was a voice of opinion that stayed "F U pay me.". But before the appeals board came down with its decision to send it back to state, we were told of the possible outcomes. There were accusations of Carver being shady. But Carver in fact wanted us to weigh our options and strongly stressed the importance of making this deal. So again I ask... What would they have done differently? Holding rallies in my opinion is a waste when the public isn't on your side.
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Post by tensevencop on Oct 1, 2013 19:18:14 GMT -5
If this deal falls through, I am voting for the new guys...
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Post by backdoorit on Oct 1, 2013 19:18:54 GMT -5
That's all fine and good and I think I agree thecurrent board has been insufficient to say the least in this fight., but I really think we need to hear more from the three that are running. This was just posted takebacknassaupba.org/?p=144
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Post by doughnut on Oct 1, 2013 19:51:28 GMT -5
If this deal falls through, I am voting for the new guys... If this deal falls through I'm inviting everyone on here to join me on an all night drinking spree!
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Post by 1090cop on Oct 1, 2013 21:20:44 GMT -5
I think that O'Reilly guy was the one who called PAPD about Dale's son trying to dig up dirt. I may only be voting for the middle guy now.
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Post by backdoorit on Oct 1, 2013 21:55:56 GMT -5
I think that O'Reilly guy was the one who called PAPD about Dale's son trying to dig up dirt. I may only be voting for the middle guy now. takebacknassaupba.org/?p=54You forgot flag burning !
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Post by fakelottotix on Oct 1, 2013 22:07:32 GMT -5
www.nycpba.org/archive/apb/apb-0410-liddy.htmlYou don't think holding rallies is effective? THATS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR 2 1/2 + YEARS!!! You don't think we have public support? You must be reading too many Newsday articles and believing the few idiots that comment regularly. This "deal" shouldve happened in 2011 and the PBA shouldve flexed its political muscle to get something done in 2011, unless they thought they were too weak to get something done, in which case, they should've stepped down and let someone else who believes in this union do the job!!!!
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Post by nybuild1 on Oct 2, 2013 2:27:59 GMT -5
www.nycpba.org/archive/apb/apb-0410-liddy.htmlYou don't think holding rallies is effective? THATS EXACTLY WHY WE HAVE BEEN FROZEN FOR 2 1/2 + YEARS!!! You don't think we have public support? You must be reading too many Newsday articles and believing the few idiots that comment regularly. This "deal" shouldve happened in 2011 and the PBA shouldve flexed its political muscle to get something done in 2011, unless they thought they were too weak to get something done, in which case, they should've stepped down and let someone else who believes in this union do the job!!!! Do you think us doing a rally would shake things up with NIFA? Really? I think time was better spent with Carver and Patterson doing what they do in Albany. You think the PBA just snaps its fingers and bam...the political machine bows down? I think the lawsuit and keeping the relationship with Mangano (however horrific) allowed this deal to come to fruition. Well at least I hope fruition. I 100% agree with how this debacle was handled with the information available at the time.
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Post by fakelottotix on Oct 2, 2013 5:55:29 GMT -5
No, I DONT think that "A" rally would change anything, I think CONSTANT political and public pressure would have brought a similar "deal" long before the PBA boards and Mangano's election. As for shaking up things with NIFA, that begins and ends with Cuomo who seeks higher office, you can bet every penny on ths deal had all of the unions been screaming at him up in Albany and EVERY time he came to speak on Long Island for whatever photo-op it may have been for he would have acted sooner. If you agree 100% you mustve drank more than the koolaid, or you plan on leaving well before the damage that will be caused by us making this deal plays out, because , in the long run, this deal will divide this union even further and be alot costlier than the money we are deservedly due at this time.
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Post by nybuild1 on Oct 2, 2013 11:53:16 GMT -5
No, I DONT think that "A" rally would change anything, I think CONSTANT political and public pressure would have brought a similar "deal" long before the PBA boards and Mangano's election. As for shaking up things with NIFA, that begins and ends with Cuomo who seeks higher office, you can bet every penny on ths deal had all of the unions been screaming at him up in Albany and EVERY time he came to speak on Long Island for whatever photo-op it may have been for he would have acted sooner. If you agree 100% you mustve drank more than the koolaid, or you plan on leaving well before the damage that will be caused by us making this deal plays out, because , in the long run, this deal will divide this union even further and be alot costlier than the money we are deservedly due at this time. No I didn't drink anything. But you make very valid points. Roobert Stack the former NIFA guy, once he was appointed, he could've been replaced before his term was up without cause? Not sure how that works.
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Post by fakelottotix on Oct 2, 2013 13:39:20 GMT -5
I certainly dont know every in and out of how NIFA works, but these guys are appointed by the governor and the legislature, etc....had political pressure been put on as soon as we were frozen maybe he couldve been removed. They have a code of ethics and a conflict of interest clause and having a guy who worked for Lehman Brothers and Wells Fargo, 2 of the institutions involved in the financial collapse of the world economy now trying to state that our salaries and pensions are the cause of Nassau's financial problems seems like a huge conflict of interest to me. The main point of my argument is this union as well as the others did not fight hard enough publicly to get things done sooner. I have over 20 years experience of being screwed over by those in charge and I have always found things to get resolved alot quicker when the right political pressure was put on those people. If we are striking while the iron is hot then we shouldnt be giving up as much as we are. Jimmy is a good guy and always responds to any inquiries and criticisms, I just feel more could have and should have been done since the first day we were frozen.
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Post by fed up on Oct 3, 2013 23:24:01 GMT -5
I know we need a change Team O'Reilly has my support.....
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Post by 1090cop on Oct 4, 2013 9:23:09 GMT -5
Tom O'Reilly does not have my support he is the one who calledPAPD for information on Dale's son . The president we have now isn't the best but we don't need a guy in there that is going to be going off half cvcked. I am only voting for KC.
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