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Post by 1090cop on Oct 22, 2013 18:42:17 GMT -5
The team "O" guys just have not answered the simple question of what they would have done different with this mess.
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Post by regrets on Oct 27, 2013 22:22:31 GMT -5
There are over 550 guys in steps. That's a lot of votes. How will team O'Reilly get us out of steps? If they really want our vote can someone from the O'Reilly team please give me a plan of action???
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Post by vegaskid on Oct 28, 2013 2:39:23 GMT -5
Regrets, I couldn't agree with you more. Everyone here is saying vote for the O'Reilly team but they haven't told us what their plan of action is. Guys just want this current board out but voting for the opposition "just because" isn't necessarily a smart decision. I want to hear a little more from the O team if they're gonna get my vote.
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Post by doughnut on Oct 28, 2013 7:33:02 GMT -5
Team O highlighted all the "perceived" errors of the current board yet offered no insight as to what they would have done in the same exact situation. Team O has basically said they would not negotiate with the county, and from what it looks like in their letter both in the past and present. So all the guys that were on the chopping block under Suozzi would have been told what, we won't negotiate even though they have threatened to lay you off. Yeah sounds like the chance I'd want my PBA board to take. Fast forward to right now, team o is in, do they stop negotiating with the County and Nifa and let the lawsuit play out? Does team O realize the lawsuit looks so similar to the Buffalo lawsuit that it was presented in federal court first? Does team O realize guys in steps are suffering the most, especially guys that came over from the city or other established professions? Does team O realize that the guys stuck in steps who should have reached top pay 2 yrs, 1 yr ago are now losing close to 40k a year, or the guys that will reach top pay in 2014 will be losing 50k? Now if team O can provide me with a plan that will differ from the current negotiations to get me and my fellow workers stuck in steps their steps please present it, because if your going to tell me I'm not negotiating and I'm going to draw the line in the sand and make ultimatums with the county and Nifa then guess what team O you don't have my vote and you won't have the silent majority vote of the guys stuck in steps. Nifa or the county don't have to negotiate for 2 years now! And if they win the state lawsuit they never have to negotiate. And if the job can hire off the new list we are fvcked period, there goes the only trump card we had. You guys on here think the county or Nifa care if this police dept suffers or goes the way of the NYPD as far as moral or anything else is concerned your sadly mistaken. When and if this dept falls apart they will simply play the blame game, when you wake up and realize its all a money game to them then you will see clearly.
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Post by overthecap on Oct 28, 2013 8:22:25 GMT -5
Team O highlighted all the "perceived" errors of the current board yet offered no insight as to what they would have done in the same exact situation. Team O has basically said they would not negotiate with the county, and from what it looks like in their letter both in the past and present. So all the guys that were on the chopping block under Suozzi would have been told what, we won't negotiate even though they have threatened to lay you off. Yeah sounds like the chance I'd want my PBA board to take. Fast forward to right now, team o is in, do they stop negotiating with the County and Nifa and let the lawsuit play out? Does team O realize the lawsuit looks so similar to the Buffalo lawsuit that it was presented in federal court first? Does team O realize guys in steps are suffering the most, especially guys that came over from the city or other established professions? Does team O realize that the guys stuck in steps who should have reached top pay 2 yrs, 1 yr ago are now losing close to 40k a year, or the guys that will reach top pay in 2014 will be losing 50k? Now if team O can provide me with a plan that will differ from the current negotiations to get me and my fellow workers stuck in steps their steps please present it, because if your going to tell me I'm not negotiating and I'm going to draw the line in the sand and make ultimatums with the county and Nifa then guess what team O you don't have my vote and you won't have the silent majority vote of the guys stuck in steps. Nifa or the county don't have to negotiate for 2 years now! And if they win the state lawsuit they never have to negotiate. And if the job can hire off the new list we are fvcked period, there goes the only trump card we had. You guys on here think the county or Nifa care if this police dept suffers or goes the way of the NYPD as far as moral or anything else is concerned your sadly mistaken. When and if this dept falls apart they will simply play the blame game, when you wake up and realize its all a money game to them then you will see clearly. Niether slate nor any cop working will want to negotiate the only 3 things the county want; Pay in to pension Pay in to healthcare Minimum manning/time off When you put those items on the table you'll see the county make a deal. IMO you won't be able to pry those benefits from your hands other than being from your cold, dead, fingers. However that is the reality of the current situation. Neither slate will mention it and it is a topic distasteful to talk about among the ranks. I wish I was wrong, but I've seen most other options exhausted. From what I see, the unions have done most everything in their power. Relevant to the 'new team' , have these board members made suggestions to resolve the current situation to the BOG in the last 3 years? Were they rebuffed or embraced by the exec. board? GL and do your homework before you vote for anything.
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Post by 1ppnotforme on Oct 28, 2013 8:23:47 GMT -5
We have done nothing but given back for the past 4 years under Jimmy Carter. It is time for a change, simple as that. Your hypothetical scenario propaganda scare tactic doesn't change my opinion Mr. Dough-nothing-nut...... and by the way - Team O'Reilly doesn't say they wont negotiate, they say they will negotiate EFFECTIVELY, not just keep giving back every time the county comes to us. TIME FOR A CHANGE!
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Post by doughnut on Oct 28, 2013 8:28:27 GMT -5
We have done nothing but given back for the past 4 years under Jimmy Carter. It is time for a change, simple as that. Your hypothetical scenario propaganda scare tactic doesn't change my opinion Mr. Dough-nothing-nut...... and by the way - Team O'Reilly doesn't say they wont negotiate, they say they will negotiate EFFECTIVELY, not just keep giving back every time the county comes to us. TIME FOR A CHANGE! apparently this guy sees the word effectively and is sold. Yeah I'm the nut. Anyone on here attack you? Its a forum to express ideas and concerns, I may be right I may be wrong, but apparently you are 100% correct sir all of the time. Keep up your personal attacks it shows the individual you truly are!
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Post by 1ppnotforme on Oct 28, 2013 8:59:32 GMT -5
LoL - ok. My opinion is just that. No personal attack. Just calling you out for spreading scare tactic propaganda. i don't deal in hypotheticals, and "what ifs", and BASED ON THAT, I'm choosing to go with something, and someone different, rather then staying with the same old do-nothing status quo. And BTW you ARE the "dough-nut", as it says in your name. LoLoLoL !
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Post by doughnut on Oct 28, 2013 9:13:32 GMT -5
Scare tactics? I'm asking questions as to what the O board would do. They would negotiate EFFECTIVELY, ok how so? How are they going to be any more effective than the current board? How are they going to effectively talk with Nifa and the county? How are they going to EFFECTIVELY tell NIFA (who controls the deal if any) what they want, or what they won't give up? And you don't deal in hypotheticals that's fine, then you are ill prepared for possibilities. Hypothetically speaking if a deal is reached and membership passes it, I urge you and people who are in your camp to refuse the pay raise and donate it back to whoever you choose and take your chances with the lawsuit. Hypothetically speaking you may win and get back pay, or hypothetically you may lose. And yes I'm the "doughnut" just don't call me a do nothing, I wrote 2 Parker's last month.
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Post by opie on Oct 28, 2013 9:25:08 GMT -5
I guess the PBA has nothing. Where are all the updates? It's been over a week and the election is in a few days!
There is no deal for ANYTHING so they have a few buddies in each pct spreading the ANTI Oreilly propaganda.
The current PBA board is IN CHARGE RIGHT NOW!
What are they doing for the membership??! The 1%ers have went though the 1-4% raises, lag payroll, givebacks, and no raises since 2010!
Be sure to VOTE DEMOCRAT across the board!! Mangano and the PBA are hoping you are stupid enough to vote for Mangano and the Town of Oyster Bay/Hempstead crooks! Vote em all out!
Remember there are 35,000 more Democrat voters in NC there there were in 2009! Mangano only won by 386 votes! We can get Mangano and the rest of them out of office!
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Post by liny on Oct 28, 2013 9:58:28 GMT -5
For every 20 Mangano signs I see, I see 1 Souzzi sign. Unless something ends up changing, Souzzi doesn't have much of a chance.
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Post by regrets on Oct 28, 2013 10:04:48 GMT -5
I hear & understand everyone's views and opinions. I agree with doughnut in that reading the newsletters it seems that O'Reilly is not willing to negotiate (past & present). Maybe he is. I do not know, I never met him nor I have I heard a plan of action. I am neither anti-carver nor anti-o'reilly. I just want a deal so I can get my steps and be made whole. I do feel that Carver is trying his best to get a deal done. But if he can't get it done and Team O'Reilly has a better idea to achieve a deal with NIFA, then please let me hear it and you will have my vote with I'm sure a lot of other members.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 11:11:03 GMT -5
Gotcha!
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Post by onthejob on Oct 28, 2013 11:55:24 GMT -5
LINY- your absolutely right. Suozzi will lose because he's doing the same exact thing he did when he lost. He's not spending money on hs campaign. Mangano signs, tv, radio ads etc are going to make this a one man race. I knew it was over when I heard a Mangano ad on Pandora. Manganos going to sweep Suozzi only because Suozzi has not invested enough into his own campaign. That also goes for team O'Reilly. A website is not enough to win a campaign.
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Post by reelrampage35 on Oct 28, 2013 15:53:07 GMT -5
Team Carver has told you even less then what Team O'Reilly has. Or at the very least everything that Team Carver has told you has been a lie!!! Like "A Deal is imminent", how many times have you heard that one. Or how about, " Dont worry guys we have something in the works but we cant tell you what it is", or "We already gave the county givebacks we arent giving anything else back" shall I continue??? I am going to start taping the meetings so you guys can see and hear exactly all of the bullshvt you have been fed by the current board.
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