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Post by eltrabajogrande on Jan 18, 2014 16:13:39 GMT -5
Eltrabajogrande Thanks for the info. Sad part is we have had plenty of dates and never once a hard date. Actually Jimmy said at a meeting last year a date and then the gloves were coming off. Well gloves are still on, and Im still frozen. Time to get Proactive instead of reactive. Right there with ya brotha frozen as well!! I have been trying to stay a "Glass Half Full" guy on this whole situation but as the days pass im realizing that its getting worse & worse!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2014 16:26:24 GMT -5
I fvcking hate NIFA. They really are a bunch douchebags.
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Post by pdcn63 on Jan 18, 2014 17:00:06 GMT -5
LOL... the pba and nifa are nowhere close to a deal.. I think its laughable how you guys are even HOPING for Feb. 1st... did you see the last agreement... it included ONE STEP... do you know how many more millions giving us 3 full steps will cost which is the only way he says we will make a deal??? There will be no deal so forget about it... I was once hopeful as well but lets be realistic... save your income tax checks and hope for a successful first ruling to the lawsuit,
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Post by overthecap on Jan 18, 2014 17:08:19 GMT -5
2222 Members Picket Home of Ellen Corcoran, GM of VZ New England What's interesting is that these people picket before exercising their option to strike. You have no option 'to strike', re; "Taylor Law". Maybe that puts your situation in a better perspective. GL
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Post by overthecap on Jan 18, 2014 18:32:34 GMT -5
From Yahoo. It must be true, I read it on the internet. And the best line, Off topic, I read is From Ron Paul. Re; Parody, Obama and NSA............. He said, " If you want your idenity and personal information, you can keep it". 34k is good money, 50 is living rich. Nassau County New Yorkers don't have to go far to find retirement bliss -- they just have to hop on the Long Island Railroad. Nassau County, a commuter suburb on New York's Long Island, ranks second on Forbes' list. This big-city neighbor possesses 13 government parks, eight beaches, five marinas, 295 hospitals, clinics and facilities that offer elderly care. Also, those sailing into their golden years will find comfort in Nassau County's low crime rate. All of these amenities don't come cheap, as the median cost of living is over $2,000 a month. Read more: www.ehow.com/about_5377811_places-retire-new-york.html#ixzz2qnNPcfNG
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Post by opie on Jan 18, 2014 19:40:37 GMT -5
At least JC didn't get a standing ovation this time. Glad people are starting to wake up! Too bad it's after the election!
I like the idea of smaller raises for the top and getting everyone through steps. Giving the people at top pay 8% makes zero sense. Get the people in steps through and maintaining benefits should be the priority.
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Post by pdcn63 on Jan 18, 2014 19:42:42 GMT -5
We are getting nothing, but I guess HOPE gets you through the day.
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Post by doughnut on Jan 18, 2014 19:56:15 GMT -5
We are getting nothing, but I guess HOPE gets you through the day. Ohhhh we are going to get something, no doubt about that. Unfortunately they do not make enough lube.
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Post by lost on Jan 18, 2014 22:12:57 GMT -5
At least JC didn't get a standing ovation this time. Glad people are starting to wake up! Too bad it's after the election! I like the idea of smaller raises for the top and getting everyone through steps. Giving the people at top pay 8% makes zero sense. Get the people in steps through and maintaining benefits should be the priority. That deal would have brought everyone to 2012. We got our steps in 2011, top pay guys did not het their 4% as the freeze was enacted just before. We need to get all steps and all raises reinstated. The second we make a deal without percentage raises 2 things happen: 1) top pay guys vote no; and they have us outnumbered 2) kiss that 125+ number for base pay goodbye; lower percentage raises mean a lower overall base pay when we get there too. Need to keep the big picture in mind. And we need to get it all, steps and raises for everyone.
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Post by inthebusiness on Jan 19, 2014 10:51:23 GMT -5
Could not disagree anymore. You can not expect anyone to sit down and negotiate with if the day before you are outside the guys home where his wife and kids sleep. Would you or I sit at that table under those conditions? Absolutely not. I do not believe we should allow ourselves to be victimized either. IThat is not the course of action though. Are you kidding me. You are worried about picketing at some ones house because it may make their families uncomfortable. They are taking money out of our pockets, food, shelter and many other comforts away from our wives and kids and you are worried how their families will feel. Whose side are you on? You sound like a blind Carver Loyalist. Some one needs to take the gloves off make their families feel a little uncomfortable and then and only then with they come to the table and negotiated in good faith. The negotiating or whatever you want to call it is BS right now. Carver is going through the motions to satisfy the membership and the county is pretending to negotiate to look good for the lawsuit. The membership is getting made fools of and you are worried how the negotiators feel. You are as just a soft as this board who has got nothing done in over three years. You are confusing a difference in opinion on the tactic with softness. Make no mistake brother there is no softness here. My family struggles as yours does. I am just able to look at the situation objectively. If we picket the homes the talks are over. Carver asked "you tell me when you want to stop working on a deal?" And the room had no answer. I have posted in a different thread that I believe if it can not be resolved soon that we should walk away from talks and let the lawsuit ride while the county begs us back to the table so they can hire. We are watching the destruction of a once great police department. When that happens and you want to picket I'll be there right with you in the front of the line. I just won't go to a nifa members home. They are here doing their job because the leaders in the county executive office failed to do theirs. They froze us at Edward manganos request. Ed mangano and his cronies fail to make the tuff decisions that need to be made so that they can hold up on there contract obligations as required by the us constitution. You want to go to the streets where those in the puzzle suozzoleum palace live and picket there count me in. Let's put blame where it belongs. If the county did there job nifa would not have to do there's. So please don't question who's side I'm on.
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Post by overthecap on Jan 19, 2014 12:09:43 GMT -5
The Implication of Long-Term Pay Freezes for States, Localities
Many public employees have waited years for salary increases, and recent surveys indicate pay freezes are continuing to persist. The implications have been far-reaching, from hindering employee retention to hurting morale.
When Florida state employees receive an approved pay increase later this year, it will be the first raise for most in seven years. In Philadelphia, city workers haven’t seen a general pay increase since 2007. New Mexico state workers are slated to get a meager 1 percent pay increase this summer – their first across-the-board raise in four years.
They aren’t alone; numerous state and local governments enacted pay freezes while budgets were trimmed during the Great Recession, with some still in place. The implications of these long-term pay freezes have been far-reaching, from hindering employee retention to hurting morale.
Public employees in some jurisdictions are just now getting their first raise in years. But for a sizable share of the sector, pay freezes continue to persist. A recent Governing survey of senior state and local officials found that 42 percent of them had pay freezes during the past year. Similarly, 33 percent of International Public Management Association for Human Resources (IPMA-HR) members reported pay freezes in another survey published in May.
“You can only do them for so long before you’re really out of step with the market,” said Neil Reichenberg, IPMA-HR’s executive director.
With an uneven recovery, the extent to which money has flowed back into municipal coffers varies, so some workers are waiting longer for a raise than others. Those areas hardest hit by the recession simply can’t afford the added expense. Some governments with the largest deficits are even imposing salary reductions, such as the 10-percent pay cuts imposed by the city of San Jose a few years back. Nine percent of participants in the recent Governing survey reported pay cuts.
In some cases, extended pay freezes led to an odd disparity: front line union workers making more money than their managers.
Before this year, approximately 13,000 non-union Pennsylvania state employees hadn’t seen a general pay raise since 2008. Over the same time, net pay for union employees climbed 12.75 percent, according to the state Office of Administration.
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This led to union members’ salaries often surpassing those of management. About a quarter of non-union managers were supervising at least one union employee receiving a higher paycheck earlier this year, according to a state report.
This pay disparity created quite a few challenges for the Commonwealth.
Jim Honchar, Pennsylvania's deputy secretary for human resources and management, said some managers actually left their jobs for union positions. A number of those with advanced skill sets, particularly engineers and information technology professionals, also made the jump to the private sector.
Other states faced similar challenges with both employee retention and recruitment.
While the Corbett administration has indicated it wants to give comparable raises to both union and non-union workers, it’s unclear whether the Commonwealth will be able to make up for the long-stagnant pay that managers incurred.
“The budget difficulties that led us to the pay freeze in the first place haven’t entirely abated,” Honchar said.
Although many governments couldn’t approve across-the-board salary increases, some agencies found ways to boost pay or at least deliver cost-of-living increases. Other employees earned salary bumps based on merit.
Reichenberg said that more states and localities could have provided broad across-the-board pay increases in recent years, but their elected officials lacked the political will to deliver.
“There’s a sense of government workers still being fat cats,” Reichenberg said. “When coupled with this anti-government mentality, it becomes tough to raise salaries.”
On the other hand, those officials not backing pay or cost-of-living increases were often met with fierce opposition from labor unions.
In Philadelphia, where some labor unions are going on four years without a contract, municipal workers have responded by waging public protests. When Mayor Michael Nutter gave his annual budget address earlier this year, they shouted over him, forcing an early end to the speech.
But as the economy recovers, so too have many state and local budgets. Some have started to unfreeze pay or restore cuts implemented during the recession, accordingly.
Back in 2009, city of San Diego officials closed a budget gap by imposing a 6-percent reduction on employee pay and benefits, averting potential layoffs. Union leaders there recently reached a five-year agreement with the city that would restore compensation over time, increasing health benefits and eliminating furlough days.
In Florida, the state has not issued an across-the-board pay increase for union and non-union state employees since Jeb Bush was governor (2006). A few agencies awarded raises since then, but pay remained frozen for most state employees.
This will soon change. State lawmakers approved general pay increases earlier this year, providing employees earning less than $40,000 an additional $1,400; salaries for all other workers will rise $1,000, along with the potential for performance bonuses.
IPMA-HR’s Reichenberg and others cited a toll on employee morale caused by such long-term pay freezes.
Sharon Larson, Florida’s director of human resource management, said state workers realized they weren’t alone as the state's economy took a hit during the recession. “I think employees understood why the situation was what it was,” she said.
Larson said the administration responded by creating various employee recognition programs and promoting staff development within agencies.
“Employees know where they stand and how their contributions are affecting state government as a whole,” she said.
Workforce Survey Results
This survey represents a random sample of 223 senior state and local officials who are members of the Governing Exchange research community, conducted between April 11 and May 10. Please note that survey participants are not representative of all government employees; only senior-level administrators working in state and local governments.
Which of the following workforce changes has your government implemented during the past calendar year?
Layoffs 20%
Hiring freeze: 39%
Pay reduction: 9%
Pay freeze: 42%
Reduction in benefits: 34%
Increase employee pension contribution or reduction in retirement benefits: 37%
Furlough: 16%
No changes: 22%
What changes, if any do you anticipate in staffing levels for your government in the upcoming fiscal year?
Increase in staffing: 15%
Decrease in staffing: 39%
No change: 40%
Don't know: 6%
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Post by zzzz on Jan 19, 2014 14:43:49 GMT -5
Inthebusiness...... Makes some valid points. However would talks be over if we picket homes of these people?? Or just the opposite? Maybe they contact carver to try to have him put an end to the embarrassment in front of their houses?? In my opinion a picket is useless at the workplace. Ed Mangano would laugh at that with his buddies at work. Jon Kaiman who knows what he really feels. I believe deep down he really knows morale needs to be raised. You gotta remember what a picket is for....... To embarrass. Period. To accomplish that it needs to be done at the homes not at work. At the workplace they have support. But you bring the picket to their residences, oh then they get rumblings from friends, neighbors, family who DO NOT WANT union workers camped out in front of where they live. It's a dirty tactic but it proves a point that we are FED UP with the nonsense. Again at the workplace it just doesn't have the same effect. Yes Ed Mangano requested the freeze but NIFA was gonna do it anyway. Also Idiot Ed signed the contract we just voted on and NIFA said no go. At this point both NIFA and Mangano are at fault and deserve blame. But lets face it we will sit back play nice nice and continue to shvt on over and over and over. My question is when do we as a union get tough and push back?? I want to play dirty and when we decide to play dirty and prove a point, I'll be there. Until then I'm done doing nonsense rallies, and crap that is just a waste of time.
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Post by siggy on Jan 19, 2014 16:12:16 GMT -5
We would need the other unions involved or risk being vilified by the public. Being frozen near 80k a year sounds like a really good salary to the majority of the public as well as members of the other unions. We would need the civilian unions to be in the front lines of any pickets or protest. I have no problem standing outside some politician's house making their families and neighbors uncomfortable but I doubt it will have the desired effect if its only us.
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Post by opie on Jan 19, 2014 19:04:42 GMT -5
Picketing won't work. The public doesn't feel sorry for union workers! Especially POLICE OFFICERS!
Read below...
-If you make more than $10,000, you earn more than 24.2% of Americans, or 37 million people.
-If you make more than $15,000 (roughly the annual salary of a minimum-wage employee working 40 hours per week), you earn more than 32.2% of Americans.
-If you make more than $30,000, you earn more than 53.2% of Americans.
-If you make more than $50,000, you earn more than 73.4% of Americans.
-If you make more than $100,000, you earn more than 92.6% of Americans.
-You are officially in the top 1% of American wage earners if you earn more than $250,000.
-The 894 people that earn more than $20 million make more than 99.99989% of Americans, and are compensated a cumulative $37,009,979,568 per year.theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/how-will-the-economy-improve-in-2014-if-almost-everyone-has-less-money-to-spend
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Post by zzzz on Jan 19, 2014 21:13:09 GMT -5
Your right picketing wont work..... Lets not do anything!!! That absolutely seems to be working.
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