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Post by arubavacation on Jan 19, 2014 21:41:44 GMT -5
Opie Your stats mean nothing. This is NY state, not some small town in Montana. I pay 8,000 in school taxes. Everywhere else they pay about 1000. Those stats mean nothing in NY State. Show me long Island #'s and we can chat.
ZZZZZ Your 100% right. For 3 years we have done nothing and received nothing. Time for a change. I promise you guys if we sit at Kaimans house he will be mad, he will hate us, but after a few weeks he will have to give in. Although we can just sit back and "negotiate" and get nothing just like the last 3 years.
Time to rally guys and get behind the guys in steps.
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Post by zzzz on Jan 19, 2014 22:56:27 GMT -5
Aruba thx bro I appreciate the support. I totally agree with you about those stats and us working on LI. My entire point about picketing is not what the public thinks of us. It's about what is lawfully ours and what we are not getting after give backs after give backs after give backs. We need to embarrass the politicians that pull the strings. To make their image take a hit. The public wants us to make $50,000. Even when we gave back to "help" the county the public couldn't care less. We do our job day in and day out and when we talk to the public they seem to be supportive but behind closed doors they hate us so ohhhh fvcking well. I'm tired of trying to look good as a union to "the public". I want what is lawfully mine NOW. We all deserve it. We work hard and deal with shvt and its time we get what we are owed....... It's not gonna happen waiting for Jimmy, Mr Ed, or NIFA period!!!
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Post by doughnut on Jan 20, 2014 8:34:14 GMT -5
All of you guys make valid points as far as picketing. Opie is correct about people not giving two shvts about us, as they all believe we make $150 grand a year and sit in the firehouse. However with that being said we need to speak with the csea and organize with their members making 27k, or the 11 correction officers slated to lose their houses through foreclosure, and the AMTS making $25k. We need them to be at the forefront of the picketing. A plan needs to be put together targeting first Mangano, when the pressure is seen the next people in line should be Nifa. There needs to be constant pressure if this is done, not just an occasional show up. We need to follow him everywhere he goes from getting bagels in the AM to public speeches. Bloomberg was followed relentlessly. Same thing with Nifa. In my opinion we should be organizing now and giving our PBA a date, a date in which you have to work something out. I mean 3 years is not enough right! After that date should be when the picketing begins. However here is the problem with all I've said, how many guys show up in the first place? It is easy to say all this but I've seen from experience if its not a well oiled machine the picketing dies out quickly or does not get going at all. Carver said he does not agree with picketing in front of their homes as it should not involve their family, well I ask you this how have these thieves AFFECTED your FAMILY. All I know is they are in my family's life everyday.
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Post by ncpdretired on Jan 20, 2014 9:06:46 GMT -5
Just read something written by Martin Luther King that kinda fits in here; Procrastination is still the thief of time. Over the bleached bones and jumbled residues of numerous civilizations are written the pathetic words;"Too Late".
Do it..
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Post by overthecap on Jan 20, 2014 9:40:25 GMT -5
All of you guys make valid points as far as picketing. Opie is correct about people not giving two shvts about us, as they all believe we make $150 grand a year and sit in the firehouse. However with that being said we need to speak with the csea and organize with their members making 27k, or the 11 correction officers slated to lose their houses through foreclosure, and the AMTS making $25k. We need them to be at the forefront of the picketing. A plan needs to be put together targeting first Mangano, when the pressure is seen the next people in line should be Nifa. There needs to be constant pressure if this is done, not just an occasional show up. We need to follow him everywhere he goes from getting bagels in the AM to public speeches. Bloomberg was followed relentlessly. Same thing with Nifa. In my opinion we should be organizing now and giving our PBA a date, a date in which you have to work something out. I mean 3 years is not enough right! After that date should be when the picketing begins. However here is the problem with all I've said, how many guys show up in the first place? It is easy to say all this but I've seen from experience if its not a well oiled machine the picketing dies out quickly or does not get going at all. Carver said he does not agree with picketing in front of their homes as it should not involve their family, well I ask you this how have these thieves AFFECTED your FAMILY. All I know is they are in my family's life everyday. Was the CSEA/SHOA's current progress, game plan, and position relative to the freeze and picketing mentioned at the meeting? Any discussion of a coalition?
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Post by doughnut on Jan 20, 2014 10:17:24 GMT -5
Overthecap the union itself is not for pickets at all. Any mention of it is purely from guys stuck in steps which is why it is all over the place. I have discussed with a few guys the need to bring in the csea and corrections if it is to be looked at with any legitimacy as have other guys. My opinion is to get it organized and wait a little while longer to see what nifa says in reply to the pbas counter offer. And since the pba won't take the gloves off it may be up to guys in the steps to do so. Seriously people what more do we have to lose
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Post by overthecap on Jan 20, 2014 10:44:47 GMT -5
Overthecap the union itself is not for pickets at all. Any mention of it is purely from guys stuck in steps which is why it is all over the place. I have discussed with a few guys the need to bring in the csea and corrections if it is to be looked at with any legitimacy as have other guys. My opinion is to get it organized and wait a little while longer to see what nifa says in reply to the pbas counteroffer. And since the pba won't take the gloves off it may be up to guys in the steps to do so. Seriously people what more do we have to lose. This is a complex and delicate position for the PBA. I for one understand that. Without citing specifics, the membership as a whole needs a contingency plan if and when, for whatever reason, your union cannot deliver an acceptable solution. That plan by the members should be complete by now, awaiting only a date to move forward. My guess is other than the discussion here, no plan has been discussed. You as a membership need to get organized in order to protect your best interest if all reasonable solutions fail. Don't wait, do something. Planning and implementation are two different things.
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Post by doughnut on Jan 20, 2014 11:33:57 GMT -5
Overthecap I wholeheartedly agree. Unfortunately this union feels as though playing nice is the course to take. It's going to be difficult at best to get guys organized, if it does work ultimately the pba will have to pay attention as I said before guys need to get together and plan a course of action. Easier said than done.
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Post by inthebusiness on Jan 20, 2014 12:58:19 GMT -5
Inthebusiness...... Makes some valid points. However would talks be over if we picket homes of these people?? Or just the opposite? Maybe they contact carver to try to have him put an end to the embarrassment in front of their houses?? In my opinion a picket is useless at the workplace. Ed Mangano would laugh at that with his buddies at work. Jon Kaiman who knows what he really feels. I believe deep down he really knows morale needs to be raised. You gotta remember what a picket is for....... To embarrass. Period. To accomplish that it needs to be done at the homes not at work. At the workplace they have support. But you bring the picket to their residences, oh then they get rumblings from friends, neighbors, family who DO NOT WANT union workers camped out in front of where they live. It's a dirty tactic but it proves a point that we are FED UP with the nonsense. Again at the workplace it just doesn't have the same effect. Yes Ed Mangano requested the freeze but NIFA was gonna do it anyway. Also Idiot Ed signed the contract we just voted on and NIFA said no go. At this point both NIFA and Mangano are at fault and deserve blame. But lets face it we will sit back play nice nice and continue to shvt on over and over and over. My question is when do we as a union get tough and push back?? I want to play dirty and when we decide to play dirty and prove a point, I'll be there. Until then I'm done doing nonsense rallies, and crap that is just a waste of time. When I stated the following in a earlier thread---You want to go to the streets where those in the puzzle suozzoleum palace live and picket there count me in. Let's put blame where it belongs. If the county did there job nifa would not have to do there's. So please don't question who's side I'm on. --- I literally meant the streets where they live. Their homes. I just don't agree in going to Nifa home. Look if mangano did his job and raised taxes so he could prevent a balanced budget nifa would be gone tomorrow and their would be no need for a deal. Mangano hides behind them because they can shelter him from the responsibility of which is his to hold. If he did what he was elected to do - lead, we would t be here having this talk.
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Post by inthebusiness on Jan 20, 2014 13:11:37 GMT -5
The freeze is stress. Stress lowers the body's immune system. Immune system fights off germs and infection. If this happens to you do not worry, public safety will not be jeopardized. They will call in an mos from home to work for you. If this happens to others you work with do not fear for When you feel better you will return the favor.
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Post by zzzz on Jan 20, 2014 13:45:15 GMT -5
It would be nice to get other unions involved and that could come later if they want. For now we need to organize small. A little at a time. Like 1%'s. it does not take a lot of people to be annoying to look at. Like 15-20 per day with signs maybe the rat too? I'm not at all saying to be rowdy and break the law whatsoever. The more people we have the more chance of getting too rowdy. I'd like to show displeasure. That's the goal. Heck even 5 people and the rat per day would certainly work. Then as the days go on and other people ( senior guys) wanna join in then so be it. Then extend the invite to other county workers that are fed up. Baby steps first. We totally need to do this. Come Feb 1st if there is still no deal I will post a meeting place to go and discuss our next move. I am picketing and whoever wants in will come period. Just tired of Bullshvt.
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Post by overthecap on Jan 20, 2014 16:09:28 GMT -5
The freeze is stress. Stress lowers the body's immune system. Immune system fights off germs and infection. If this happens to you do not worry, public safety will not be jeopardized. They will call in an mos from home to work for you. If this happens to others you work with do not fear for When you feel better you will return the favor. Hafl's and Dp's worked years ago. The stress shifted to others. Believe me, sometimes more stress is created if you enforce the VTL than if you don't.
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Post by tiredofwaiting on Jan 20, 2014 16:10:11 GMT -5
Inthebusiness...... Makes some valid points. However would talks be over if we picket homes of these people?? Or just the opposite? Maybe they contact carver to try to have him put an end to the embarrassment in front of their houses?? In my opinion a picket is useless at the workplace. Ed Mangano would laugh at that with his buddies at work. Jon Kaiman who knows what he really feels. I believe deep down he really knows morale needs to be raised. You gotta remember what a picket is for....... To embarrass. Period. To accomplish that it needs to be done at the homes not at work. At the workplace they have support. But you bring the picket to their residences, oh then they get rumblings from friends, neighbors, family who DO NOT WANT union workers camped out in front of where they live. It's a dirty tactic but it proves a point that we are FED UP with the nonsense. Again at the workplace it just doesn't have the same effect. Yes Ed Mangano requested the freeze but NIFA was gonna do it anyway. Also Idiot Ed signed the contract we just voted on and NIFA said no go. At this point both NIFA and Mangano are at fault and deserve blame. But lets face it we will sit back play nice nice and continue to shvt on over and over and over. My question is when do we as a union get tough and push back?? I want to play dirty and when we decide to play dirty and prove a point, I'll be there. Until then I'm done doing nonsense rallies, and crap that is just a waste of time. When I stated the following in a earlier thread---You want to go to the streets where those in the puzzle suozzoleum palace live and picket there count me in. Let's put blame where it belongs. If the county did there job nifa would not have to do there's. So please don't question who's side I'm on. --- I literally meant the streets where they live. Their homes. I just don't agree in going to Nifa home. Look if mangano did his job and raised taxes so he could prevent a balanced budget nifa would be gone tomorrow and their would be no need for a deal. Mangano hides behind them because they can shelter him from the responsibility of which is his to hold. If he did what he was elected to do - lead, we would t be here having this talk. NIFA is as much to blame for our wage freeze as the county politicians. They did not have to come in and freeze our wages as the first move. They could have told the county to get their shvt together and try all other options before they freeze our wages as they are supposed to do. A wage freeze is supposed to be a last resort. The county politicians continued to hire their family and friends during a hiring freeze and NIFA said nothing. NIFA did not freeze NCC workers wages because of a bogus budget they presented to NIFA and how the college makes money. Comptrollers office disputed all this and explained to NIFA how college loses money but NIFA still chose not to freeze them. John Ciotti after losing his legislative seat was hired for a position at NUMC at the request of Mangano and Mondello he took over for a guy who was making $240,000 a year and they gave him a $60,000 so he is making $300,000 a year and is less qualified than the guy he took over for. The county continues to piss money away and they thumb their nose at NIFA. The county continues to give raises to the employees they choose usually their family and friends or inner circle. They just gave out $800,000 in raised to non union employees. NIFA says this is not allowed but gives them an out by telling them if they change their job titles it is not within NIFA's authority. How about NIFA comes out and says this is illegal, unethical and will not be tolerated by NIFA and we will put a stop to it. NIFA is as greedy as the politicians. They have been given a number of deals that would help the county save money and get us our contractually agreed upon raises and steps. They instead decline and try to gut the union contracts and squeeze more and more out of the county workers. Another slap in the face to frozen county workers is Kainman's wife new $78,000 a year no show job at North Hempstead. So yes lets put blame where is belongs. County could raise taxes a small amount to fix this whole mess and NIFA can also except a reasonable deal from the county and unions to unfreeze our wages and get us everything that is owed to us. So I blame county and NIFA equally. I say picket at everyone of NIFA's house and make their families as uncomfortable as possible. NIFA has the final say in unfreezing our wages so they are the ones who we need to go after. Playing nice for three years has gotten us nothing but lost wages and heartache. Gloves need to come off and anyone on here who does not have the stomach for it should take a good look at what is going on and see how neither the politicians or NIFA give a shvt about us or our families. So no we should not give a shvt about them or their families.
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Post by reelrampage35 on Jan 20, 2014 16:14:38 GMT -5
The County is not going to do any deal until the lawsuit is ruled on, do you know WHY ? Because they don't have to, if they lose we are unfrozen and if they win they will ask for more givebacks. The whole," the county has to hire " is bullshvt. They are going to send as many guys back to patrol from details and plain clothes etc and we are going to be working every day off. If they came to an agreement today it would not go into effect till March 1 and if they did put a class in they wouldn't graduate until late August, September . Bunker down for no deal and a lot of overtime.
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Post by tiredofwaiting on Jan 20, 2014 17:07:32 GMT -5
The County is not going to do any deal until the lawsuit is ruled on, do you know WHY ? Because they don't have to, if they lose we are unfrozen and if they win they will ask for more givebacks. The whole," the county has to hire " is bullshvt. They are going to send as many guys back to patrol from details and plain clothes etc and we are going to be working every day off. If they came to an agreement today it would not go into effect till March 1 and if they did put a class in they wouldn't graduate until late August, September . Bunker down for no deal and a lot of overtime. I totally agree. They are not going to deal period! To the people who say they are going hire explain to me why? It is cheaper for them to pay us overtime than to hire new classes and if they were going to hire under the current contract they would have hired already to control overtime this summer and any new hires will not graduate till the end of the summer. I have friends waiting to go in and they keep being told they will not be hired till there is a new deal in place and they can hire guys who contribute to their pension and med benefits. On a different note I heard Carver was willing to a handshake with the county that they can hire and all the new recruits will be considered hired under the new deal when it is in place. I hope this is not true. i
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